High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Guzzle-barthilas]

Yes. I am never as happy as I am with void form so I can get that much closer to becoming a squid.

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

I haven’t seen any High elves in any assaults either

I have, otherwise why would I say so?

[Saralocks-frostmourne]

becoming a squid

So, how about we just invite the naga and they can teach us how to squid?

[Broflake-illidan]

The Warcraft Encyclopedia/High Elves

Except that through the very own quote which you utilized, it is not a matter of not caring for magic but primarily because they are not spellcasters. Furthermore,

Alliance High elves largely do not care for magic, as most actively try to fight their addictions to it through meditation

This applied primarily to the rangeresque high elves. On the very matter of their addiction, it was stated those were the only elves who could get away with such a thing, as the effects of magical withdrawal could range from killing the individual, to causing severe/physical harm.

This was not primarily due to high elf culture, but one dependent upon their class.

It’s worth noting that the High elves from Allerian Stronghold are not the same as modern Alliance High elves, as unlike them they have been cut away from the events that led to the cultural segregation between Blood elves and High elves. That those structures were likely built far before the original splintering of the elves.

This is also likely why Allerian High elves have little quarrel with Blood elves, and likely relate to them more than the average, modern Alliance high elf. It explains why Auric was the High elf representative at the Sunwell, and not a longstanding Alliance high elf from stormwind.

I am not sure that is necessarily true. Keep in mind that the destruction of the sunwell was 14 years ago according to the timeline, and the period between that and beyond the dark portal was only 2 years. It would be unlikely to suggest that in this short period of time themodern high elves have diverged significantly.
Indeed, given that Dalaran is the culmination of both high elf and human culture which has been around for thousands of years, it cannot truly be said they have diverged on their own.

As I mentioned earlier, the architecture we do have from the lodges which are self managed by the high elves, is traditionally the same as the blood elven lodges we’ve seen.
I also cannot argue that Auric’s view is due to traditionalist values, as the desire for reunification is also felt by Vereesa who was preent for the schism and changed her mind over time.

This applies to most Alliance High elves actually, which is why they’re seen wearing human clothes, speaking mainly common, and rarely associating themselves with any elven themes themselves. My comment is not to say that High elves are completely different from Blood elves, but that they have culturally shifted in a different direction from traditional High elven themes than their Blood elven kin who still largely embrace their traditional themes and cultures.

I don’t think we ever hear anyone speak something besides common in this game. To be honest, so I am unsure if it is a fair statement to make in this regard, feel free to correct me in this regard. As for wearing human clothing, this, I am unsure if it is applicable as a whole since we largely see thi in stormwind and see a variety of clothing styles throughout all high elf population.

In the end, my comment was to make the distinction that sayiing “High elven” doesn’t mean “Alliance high elf” but rather addressing the race as a whole.

I can agree on this matter in itself. It does feel more practical to use it to refer to them all as a whole.

Ely here, very jealous that the blood elves got such a nice heritage armor kit, it does look good on the Paladin/Blood knight. Hoping for my NE and human to get something as thematically perfect that the Blood elves got.

It works really well for all of the classes really. The robe can be a tunic, and if you remove the shoulder pieces you can make a neat looking rogue set.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

I have, otherwise why would I say so?

You haven’t though, you’ve simply declared that we see High elven priests most of the time, and yet I can’t recall even once seeing an alliance high elven priest, nevermind often enough to suggest that I see them most of the time.

I can declare that I see high elven druids all of the time, but unless I cite claim with some source I can only ask people to take my word for it. All I’m asking is you provide me with some citation for high elven priests on the alliance. I’m not calling you a liar, I simply would be interested in seeing this for myself.

[Broflake-illidan]

I do believe they exist, but its rather tricky to recall.
I know for sure we do see plenty of mages thorugh the SC. High elves aren’t the mot populous group.

You also have high elf portal keepers, mages, a warlock.
Again, I believe only the quel’danil high elves say no to magic. The reason seem like they don’t mind using it, but simply fear magical addiction.

Oh, and keep in mind there are the Dalaran high elves too.

I’d need to go through everything on Itlatn, and that will take time due to school.

[Saralocks-frostmourne]

Honestly, the only time when I have actually seen High Elven casters is like a few mages around Dalaran, but nothing more.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

maybe if you people would realize we are talking about the collective group that refers to themselves as high elves and not the race high elves you would understand.

Thus lies the problem, if the race belongs to those from Thalassian heritage…and that blood elves are part of the high elf legacy by racial toes, what point does ths group have to impact playability that the void elves dont have?

Longevity? Thats basically it.

But of course all know you do and are just being difficult.

It has nothing to with being difficult…they dont offer anything different than void elves at the current time. Void elves are a bunch of exiled high elves (since we agree high elf is a biological race and sindorei is just a name) led by an old Alliance hero from the Alliance of Lordaeron who is helping them struggle with their place in the world.

There really isnt anything in my mind that high elves offer different besides not being associated with void.

As an Alliance player, i would rather have a unique and new flavor than repackaging one we already have. Isnt this the literal problem with things like LFD, HMT, and mechagnomes…where they are just similar concepts redone without much change?

[Guzzle-barthilas]

a warlock

I think we can say with a fair degree of certainty he’s not canon.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

I have, otherwise why would I say so?

[Broflake-illidan]

I think we can say with a fair degree of certainty he’s not canon.

DONT YOU TAKE IT FROM ME.

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

You haven’t though, you’ve simply declared that we see High elven priests most of the time, and yet I can’t recall even once seeing an alliance high elven priest, nevermind often enough to suggest that I see them most of the time.

7th Legion Shield-Mage

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

And as soon as I see an assault in Nazmir I will go looking for more.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

Except that through the very own quote which you utilized, it is not a matter of not caring for magic but primarily because they are not spellcasters. Furthermore,

Yes but it is a distinction between Blood elves, who are primarily spellcasters, as it is the most defining theme among the Sin’dorei. You wouldn’t say that most Blood elves are not spellcasters, which is why it is an example of a cultural distinction between the two groups.

This applied primarily to the rangeresque high elves. On the very matter of their addiction, it was stated those were the only elves who could get away with such a thing, as the effects of magical withdrawal could range from killing the individual, to causing severe/physical harm.

This was not primarily due to high elf culture, but one dependent upon their class.

Actually no, magical withdrawal does not kill any elf, only the very old, sick and frail. Rangers were simply the ones that were not effected as strongly as other groups.

Warcraft Encyclopedia.

On several occasions after the Sunwell’s defilement, Kael’thas publicly asserted that his people would die unless they found a new source of magic. Technically the prince was mistaken. According to Azeroth’s top priests and medics, the only high elves to perish due to magical withdrawal have been the very old, the very young, and elves who were already in poor health.

I am not sure that is necessarily true. Keep in mind that the destruction of the sunwell was 14 years ago according to the timeline, and the period between that and beyond the dark portal was only 2 years. It would be unlikely to suggest that in this short period of time themodern high elves have diverged significantly.
Indeed, given that Dalaran is the culmination of both high elf and human culture which has been around for thousands of years, it cannot truly be said they have diverged on their own.

High elven assimilation into Alliance culture likely became a necessity for survival after Quel’thalas was destroyed, where High elves had to rely on the generosity, and mercy of the alliance races for survival, a fate the Allerian high elves were spared due to their isolation. To compare two groups, that faced entirely different circumstances and context isn’t a very accurate portrayal of the group in modern context.

As I mentioned earlier, the architecture we do have from the lodges which are self managed by the high elves, is traditionally the same as the blood elven lodges we’ve seen.
I also cannot argue that Auric’s view is due to traditionalist values, as the desire for reunification is also felt by Vereesa who was preent for the schism and changed her mind over time.

These lodges were also made before these cultural distinctions grew, from either communication outposts to increase relations with other races, or farstrider posts that were used by the traditional high elves in the past. They are not examples of the high elves capacity to practice, and carry on High elve traditions and themes. In fact most of these outposts are also occupied by non elven units.

I don’t think we ever hear anyone speak something besides common in this game. To be honest, so I am unsure if it is a fair statement to make in this regard, feel free to correct me in this regard. As for wearing human clothing, this, I am unsure if it is applicable as a whole since we largely see thi in stormwind and see a variety of clothing styles throughout all high elf population.

I’m referring to dialogue when you select a character, High elves were specifically given voice dialogues that are primarily common phrases, while if you speak to Blood elves they will often recite High elven phrases to the player. If the idea was that culturally High elves were the same as Blood elves, it would make very little sense to add this distinction, when all they had to do was remove phrases that included “sin’dorei” in them.

[Snowsong-fizzcrank]

This isn’t a priest.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

That’s a mage, sparky.

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

Shields are a Priesty thing to do.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

It literally has mage in the name.

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

Because Priests use Holy Magic to Heal and Shield others.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

…it literally says mage.