High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

Imagine comparing the pirates role in the Horde, to the High Elves role in the Alliance.

I know. One of those groups actually was directly involved in quests for the faction they worked with in BFA.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

How is that not a perfect recruitment scenario for them?

What you’re suggesting now is that unity could become a theme for them. Although I would argue that lack of unity is more of a central theme and a better one for them to be written around.

I mean just imagine, this is a race that has spent like 30 years in a dozen different communities with different values and ideas and has never shown an interest in re-unifying. There would be tension, there would be distrust and resentment. For example how could the elves of Quel’danil not have deep reservations about the elves of the Silver Covenant given that one group is defined by their rejection of magic and another who are from the centre of Arcane study in Azeroth?

I’m not convinced unification makes sense for them.

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

Warcraft III: Reforged High Elf and Blood Elf Models - Sylvanas, Anasterian,...

Uh oh. They all have green/gold eyes.

Except the single windrunner.

[Cezol-darkspear]

I know. One of those groups actually was directly involved in quests for the faction they worked with in BFA.

And the other was part of multiple endgame content in multiple expansions!

And Continues to show up around Alliance cities and aesthetics!

There would be tension, there would be distrust and resentment. For example how could the elves of Quel’danil not have deep reservations about the elves of the Silver Covenant given that one group is defined by their rejection of magic and another who are from the centre of Arcane study in Azeroth?

The same way regular Night elves did for “Highborne” Night elf Mages?

There would be tension, there would be distrust and resentment.

The Horde

Uh oh. They all have green/gold eyes.

Except the single windrunner.

Because most of the Models are based after they became Blood Elves.

But nice try I guess.

[Curemaster-sisters-of-elune (Curemaster)]

Cute, but your friend up there is also claiming thee apocalypse of the game because of a said race addition. Which makes little sense to me, because adding it absolutely cannot mean the salvation and restoration of the game either according to the opposing side. These extreme arguments are very outlandish and silly, when in reality it would do little more then make those that want them very happy and those that don’t, have hurt feelings. And the game will continue on as it always had.

I mean, they are adding Mechagnomes that has had a huge lashback since their datamining last Blizzcon, and yet they are still coming and it isn’t the end of the game. People are mad, people are happy, the game goes on.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

Because most of the Models are based after they became Blood Elves.

Anasterian was a blood elf?

[Asotcha-azjolnerub (Asotcha)]

Cute, but your friend up there is also claiming thee apocalypse of the game because of a said race addition. Which makes little sense to me, because adding it absolutely cannot mean the salvation and restoration of the game either according to the opposing side. These extreme arguments are very outlandish

As recently as yesterday, I pointed out that implementing helves would damage both the alliance, horde, and 3 of the 4 playable elf races right now.

As for ‘outlandish, silly and extreme’ so is the claim that it would have no impact whatsoever. Do you see that in itself is an extreme claim, being at the far end of the spectrum?

[Reginageorge-moon-guard]

oh, my blood elves need that dragonhawk model

[Cezol-darkspear]

Anasterian was a blood elf?

most

Also his eyes are whatever default “yellow” they want to use for High Elves for the Reign of Chaos portion of the game.

Much like Sylvanas had regular grey eyes in her Warbringers, they had “regular” eyes.

Golden eyes were added as a cosmetic option fairly recently. Its disingenuous to pass this off as a fluke.

It isn’t when the Sunwell is not yet Half holy at that point in time.

I mean, Alleria’s eyes were always green. The comics say Lor’themar’s were brown. They only show the high elves having blue in-game to differentiate them from the blood elves.

[Asotcha-azjolnerub (Asotcha)]

Also his eyes are whatever default “yellow” they want to use for High Elves for the Reign of Chaos portion of the game.

Golden eyes were added as a cosmetic option fairly recently. Its disingenuous to pass this off as a fluke.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

Let us entertain the notion of giving the alliance trolls, then what would the alliance have to give in exchange to make it equivalent?

We’ve given you Blood Elves and Nightborne already – you’re red in the ledger, and still demanding more.

To my current knowledge, the only tribe of darktrolls left (as they were the original night elves so to speak), was that of the shadowtooth and they were wiped out shortly after.

1. The expression “wiped out” isn’t synonymous with “made extinct”.
2. The fact that we only know of a single tribe doesn’t exactly mean anything, insofar as storytelling does – we didn’t know of Mechagnomes, from Mechagon, until we did.

So I am unsure where they could pull more Dark trolls from.

They could easily come from the place that creates , just like they did with Void Elves – and Mechagnomes, and Lightforged Draenei, and Kul Tirans.

To be fair, the majority of the horde was changed fgoing from WC2 into WC3, and the blood elves have established themselves as savvy enough to understand the changing of groups.

A mild irony that the people who profess their love of Blood Elves don’t have this same ability of discernment, insofar as social and political nuance is concerned.

Hence why the darkspear instead of amani.
The orcs being lead by thrall.
Forsaken by Sylvanas, a former hero of their own.
So on and so forth. Blizzrd did at least set the groundwork to justify BE working with the Horde.

I wouldn’t argue that they didn’t lay any groundwork, just unbelievable groundwork.

Which is why, to this day, enormous portions of the BE’s playerbase don’t even self-identify as Horde unless it is conversationally or narratively important to do so; they’re playing as, and interested almost exclusively in, the Blood Elves – with little, if any, interest in the broader context(s) of the Horde.

(Note: The flip-side of this seems to also be somewhat true, with fans of the “core Horde” stopping just short of accusing the Blood Elves of being fair-weather allies.)

Unlike the DID and every other race, their origins have them 100% dedicated to G’huun.

You must’ve missed Blackrock Depths and Molten Core.

They are unlike every other race who has done questionable things but were for all intents and purposes, “good” in some way.

Quit being facetious

You must’ve missed when the Forsaken were marauding through Lordaeron, slaughtering their neighbors as slaves to the Lich King.

You must’ve missed when the Blood Elves were magic junkies, whose upper-echelon adjoined themselves to the Burning Legion to fuel their addiction and whose lower-echelons became violent crack-fiends killing their friends for a fix.

You must’ve missed when Void Elves were literally studying the work of the man responsible for the Scourge successfully invading Quel’thalas to begin with.

You must’ve missed the Mag’har Orcs literally built an army to conquer the entire planet, all this before they decided for the second time in their cosmic history to guzzle some demon blood.

You must’ve missed when the Gilneans abandoned the Alliance, essentially telling them they didn’t give a crap what the Lich King did as long as they were safe behind their walls.

So then you do believe that blood elves joining the Horde was a mistake? So what did I take out of context?

I believe that Elfkind and Trollkind should be mirrored across the factions, owing to the fact that they’re described in the Warcraft Chronicle as being diametrically opposed to each other. Full stop.

I would’ve argued, in 2006, for Blood Elves joining the Alliance – and for them to maintain the Alliance as “the faction for Elfkind” and the Horde as “the faction for Trollkind”.

Alas, it isn’t 2006 and that setup isn’t possible anymore.

The only option, if the goal were to depict these two opposing groups (Elfkind, Trollkind) as being mirrors of each other, would be for the Alliance to receive at least 2 types of troll.

It shouldn’t. Disparaging people’s country of birth is obviously not an acceptable thing to do.

It’s a good thing that all I did was imply that conducting yourself, as you had, reflected poorly upon the whole of Aussieland – that isn’t disparage based upon origin.

[Risela-khaz-modan]

Uh oh. They all have green/gold eyes.

Except the single windrunner.

I mean, Alleria’s eyes were always green. The comics say Lor’themar’s were brown. They only show the high elves having blue in-game to differentiate them from the blood elves.

[Asotcha-azjolnerub (Asotcha)]

It isn’t when the Sunwell is not yet Half holy at that point in time.

So we’re all accepting that the same sunwell acts on helves and belves equally, being the same race and attached to the same font of power? That’s progress, I spose. Well done.

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

Because most of the Models are based after they became Blood Elves.

But nice try I guess.

High Elf Archmage: Gold Eyes

High Elf Woman: green eyes

High Elf Peasant: green eyes

First comes denial.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

Jennalla and Thalorien have blue eyes.

As for others, it’s most likely an oversight, given the portraits.

But Jennala’s model is all that matters to me. Another good example of a high elf green/gold look. And those braids! If only she had celtic-like markings…

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/877763.jpg

[Guzzle-barthilas]

I believe that Elfkind and Trollkind should be mirrored across the factions, owing to the fact that they’re described in the Warcraft Chronicle as being diametrically opposed to each other. Full stop.

I would’ve argued, in 2006, for Blood Elves joining the Alliance – and for them to maintain the Alliance as “the faction for Elfkind” and the Horde as “the faction for Trollkind”.

Alas, it isn’t 2006 and that setup isn’t possible anymore.

The only option, if the goal were to depict these two opposing groups (Elfkind, Trollkind) as being mirrors of each other, would be for the Alliance to at least 2 types of troll.

You’re not directly answering the question, you’re telling me about your OC donut steel. I don’t have a problem with you doing that on your own time but please just answer the question. Do you believe the addition of blood elves to the Horde was a mistake, yes or no?

It’s a good thing that all I did was imply that conducting yourself, as you had, reflected poorly upon the whole of Aussieland – that isn’t disparage based upon origin.

Calling my country a “little penal colony” is definitely disparaging.

[Avarie-farstriders]

The high elven eyes look blue on my screen in some cases, and white/greyish in other cases.

[Cezol-darkspear]

So we’re all accepting that the same sunwell acts on helves and belves equally, being the same race and attached to the same font of power? That’s progress, I spose. Well done.

You must be Very new, or at least pretending to be

High Elf Archmage: Gold Eyes

High Elf Woman: green eyes

High Elf Peasant: green eyes

First comes denial.

Because most of the Models are based after they became Blood Elves, for the Frozen Throne section of the game.

Models

Also doesn’t even remotely affect what WoW is and shows now, so moot point is moot.

The Antis are reaching yet again.

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

As for others, it’s most likely an oversight, given the portraits.

First stage is denial.

Jennalla and Thalorien have blue eyes.

Three named character does not make a playable race. None of the rank and file have blue-eyes. Seems like it’s a genetic thing, even the explicitly named high elf units have green eyes

The high elven eyes look blue on my screen in some cases, and white/greyish in other cases.

Might want to get checked for green colorblindness. Or get a functioning monitor.

Also doesn’t even remotely affect what WoW is and shows now, so moot point is moot.

The Antis are reaching yet again.

explicitly named High Elves

have green eyes

I’m sure it’s so moot.

[Avarie-farstriders]

My vision is fine, as is my monitor.