But it’s entirely true. Elves from Quel’thalas are an Alliance race. The entire point of Blood Elves is to be able to play a traditionally Alliance race as part of the Horde in order to artificially boost the monster faction’s numbers.
I don’t think many people were even asking for those gnomes, either. I mean at least they could wear armor, but that’s also a plus that the mechagnomes bring. Now races aren’t restricted on whether or not they can wear stuff
Let’s be real… EverQuest died out because World of Warcraft had become very popular very quickly. Not because of this silly argument.
As for Rift, I used to play that as well. To be honest, the games wasn’t that great over all and it wasn’t very user friendly in my own personal opinion. Not to mention, WoW was still very popular during the time Rift had been release… being in the age of Cataclysm to Mists.
It’s as I said before. You’re using argument that are unfounded and driven by fear.
But it’s entirely true. Elves from Quel’thalas are an Alliance race. The entire point of Blood Elves is to be able to play a traditionally Alliance race as part of the Horde in order to artificially boost the monster faction’s numbers.
I mean they’re not. Their themes are all Horde themes.
If you would’ve read the first statement, instead of just pouncing of the first sentence that you could create a “gotcha” out of, you would’ve understood the context.
I’m sorry, what I read suggested that was the crux of what that paragraph’s message was. I try to keep quotes short and to the point to avoid unnecessary reading for anyone who reads it. The sentence proceeding what I quoted strongly suggested you believed what you’re saying. You know, because it said you believed what you were saying.
If I was wrong in my understanding of what you posted feel free to correct me.
You’re doing that little penal colony dirty with this type of discussion style, friend.
Real talk, this isn’t okay. I’m not even joking, I’m considering flagging you for this and I never flag. This is actually offensive.
Yeah, but it still shows that clear difference between bringing something really unique, new, interesting, polished, and well made, instead of just… you know… gar… I must stop.
Let’s go back to High Elves.
the underlying sentiment is something I wholeheartedly believe
The problem is how do you break the current establishment while ensuring both sides feel sufficiently served?
Let us entertain the notion of giving the alliance trolls, then what would the alliance have to give in exchange to make it equivalent?
I vote Worgen.
The resident Dark Troll in Dazar’alor, Speaker Ik’nal, states that the Shadowtooth Clan was wiped out – not that the Dark Trolls are extinct. That, combined with the fact that the Zandalari have elected to keep one of the Dark Trolls around as a momento of the past, could easily be understood to mean that the Shadowtooth Clan disappeared, while Dark Trolls continue to exist disparately.
To my current knowledge, the only tribe of darktrolls left (as they were the original night elves so to speak), was that of the shadowtooth and they were wiped out shortly after. So I am unsure where they could pull more Dark trolls from.
The BE’s were mortal enemies with almost every one of the races on the original Horde, and that didn’t stop Blizzard from shoehorning them into that faction – just an observation.
To be fair, the majority of the horde was changed fgoing from WC2 into WC3, and the blood elves have established themselves as savvy enough to understand the changing of groups.
Hence why the darkspear instead of amani.
The orcs being lead by thrall.
Forsaken by Sylvanas, a former hero of their own.
So on and so forth. Blizzrd did at least set the groundwork to justify BE working with the Horde.
f only there had been other playable races who, prior to their introduction into World of Warcraft, had questionable loyalties or motivations…
Yeah, except for the fact that
Blood trolls are trolls dedicated to the worship of G’huun and blood magic. Unlike the DID and every other race, their origins have them 100% dedicated to G’huun.
They are unlike every other race who has done questionable things but were for all intents and purposes, “good” in some way.
Quit being facetious
Pardon the attitude man.
We are not asking for void elves, we want high elves.
You do realize I was referring to your logic yes? How is it that, when confronted with your own logic, you insist on re-affirming your weak stance?
Void elves also break your argument against “same race on both factions”. They prove what I said point by point.
- No connection to sunwell
- Tentacles for hair
They’re certainly not high elves anymore.
Pandaren already exist.
Introduced as neutral from the beginning and were not a pre-established race for years. Good try.
What you call insults i see as observations of your actions,
So…implying my father is someone who works at Blizzard is an observation? That does not make sense in any language.
how much bias you have for the topic at hand.
Prove my bias.
How about you hop back on that High Horse when you start working for Blizzard, in the mean time, we’ll keep requesting High Elves.
Ion: “If you want to play a blonde, fair skinned elf, the Horde is waiting for you.”.
I don’t need to work for Blizzard, they’ve already stated their stance. Of course, you’re not someone who cares who says it, so don’t pretend as if you do bud.
Imagine invoking your education
I am sorry I am intimidating you.,
Another nice post from reddit:
I like the first idea more. Looks neater, but they are titan constructs who are neutral aren’t they?
Their themes are all Horde themes.
They’re not actually.
Horde themes are spikes and bones and wolves and stitched leather, only reason you think it’s a theme of the Horde is only because they’re IN the Horde, but the true Horde theme is as stated above.
There’s a reason Blood Elves have had little to no major role in the Horde since TBC.
Real talk, this isn’t okay. I’m not even joking, I’m considering flagging you for this and I never flag. This is actually offensive.
The offender is offended, this is new.
Wait… so you’re saying that because the Undead were lead by Sylvanas, the Orcs by thrall, and the trolls were the Dark spear, the Blood Elves understood that they weren’t those people and we’re okay that their lands were burned and assaulted, and they’re Kingdom was felled by these races, but wasn’t you bro, so all good. But the Blood Elves draw a line when they have been racially abused by one human who was power hungry and hated High Elves, so all humans and anyone associated with them are bad, no can do?
Such a flimsy argument and makes little to no sense to me personally.
Horde themes are spikes and bones and wolves and stitched leather, only reason you think it’s a theme of the Horde is only because they’re IN the Horde, but the true Horde theme is as stated above.
Those are aesthetics. The core themes of the blood elves at introduction were redemption, pride and rebirth. These are all Horde themes.
There’s a reason Blood Elves have had little to no major role in the Horde since TBC.
Blood elves have actually had the most number of major appearances of any Horde race besides orcs.
The sentence proceeding what I quoted strongly suggested you believed what you’re saying. You know, because it said you believed what you were saying.
What I said, and I’ll quote myself, was as follows:
I only intended for the delivery the facetious, the underlying sentiment is something I wholeheartedly believe
A direct referral to the notion I’d presented in the previous post, that if Elfkind and Trollkind were/are engaged in an eternal conflict (as implied by the Warcraft Chronicle) then it makes perfect sense for them to be mirrored.
If Blizzard had actually planned their story decade(s) in advance, it would’ve probably been best if the Alliance was depicted as “the faction for Elfkind” and the Horde as “the faction for Trollkind” – but, as I said, that ship sailed in 2007.
Real talk, this isn’t okay. I’m not even joking, I’m considering flagging you for this and I never flag. This is actually offensive.
Somehow, this doesn’t surprise me.
I like the first idea more. Looks neater, but they are titan constructs who are neutral aren’t they?
We could’ve found another group of true Mechagnomes in Mechagon instead of just… Gnomes… like when Thrall found the Bilgewater goblins back in Cataclysm since the other cartels in-game were neutral.
But like I said previously I don’t wanna derail the thread, so I think we should stay on topic, and they were announced already, nothing will change anyway.
A direct referral to the notion I’d presented in the previous post, that if Elfkind and Trollkind were/are engaged in an eternal conflict (as implied by the Warcraft Chronicle) then it makes perfect sense for them to be mirrored.
If Blizzard had actually planned their story decade(s) in advance, it would’ve probably been best if the Alliance was depicted as “the faction for Elfkind” and the Horde as “the faction for Trollkind” – but, as I said, that ship sailed in 2007.
So then you do believe that blood elves joining the Horde was a mistake? So what did I take out of context?
Somehow, this doesn’t surprise me.
It shouldn’t. Disparaging people’s country of birth is obviously not an acceptable thing to do.
Prove my bias.
Ion: “If you want to play a blonde, fair skinned elf, the Horde is waiting for you.”.
Theeeeen roll a blood elf and pretend?
Don’t know what to tell you. It’s like wanting to be one of the fogsail human pirates. Yeah they are there
Imagine comparing the pirates role in the Horde, to the High Elves role in the Alliance.
The core themes of the blood elves at introduction were redemption, pride and rebirth. These are all Horde themes.
Alrighty, so High Elves can have themes of remaining loyal to their allies, honor and unity. All Alliance themes. See how story development works?
major appearances
Does not equal major roles but go off.
The core themes of the blood elves at introduction were redemption, pride and rebirth. These are all Horde themes.
You know? Come to think of it, this is totally shared among every single Horde race, from stem to stern. Hadn’t really considered it in those exact terms though, strangely enough.
Such a flimsy argument and makes little to no sense to me personally.
Is this a TL:DR of this entire thread?
So…implying my father is someone who works at Blizzard is an observation? That does not make sense in any language.
Plus, If your father worked at Blizzard you’d be posting ‘leaks’ with all the other devs’ kids right now
Alrighty, so High Elves can have themes of remaining loyal to their allies, honor and unity. All Alliance themes. See how story development works?
Besides unity clearly not being a high elf theme since a major reason for their rejection according to various Blizzard representatives being a lack of unification, I never actually said High Elves weren’t thematically an Alliance race.
Does not equal major roles but go off.
The Blood Elves leading a dis-proportionally large percentage of the Horde’s operations is definitely a major role.
Besides unity clearly not being a high elf theme
See how story development works?
How is that not a perfect recruitment scenario for them?
Since they’re all over the place.
No connection to sunwell
You know the only source for that claim is a pissed-off line when you click on a void elf too many times, and those are usually not to be taken seriously, right?
Tentacles for hair
Cosmetic choice that’s entirely optional.
I’m a pale skinned Thalassian Elf with light colored hair and no tentacles on it, i am infringing on the Blood Elf identity correctly?