more of my goofy artwork. its an overpaint of soridormi. the robe is not wow like, though. but after i made it, i didnt want to change it lol i apologize that it has the belf signature idle stance.
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They arenât though.
I think itâs just because Iâve read so much lore man. Like I said, WoWâs got itâs set of internal rules. They exist in the storytelling, but Chronicles lays them down as well.
Eh. I like you actually. Youâre pretty clever.
Yeah but the NPCâs donât look different either though. They uniformly have a darker skin shade but like, the vast majority of difference is just in the clothing.
They were like, âWhat if we threw them in some structured neon Egyptian styles?â
To be fair to the NIghtborne. Their one unique cultural change is probably their outfits. Since you can hang out with old school Azshara and see the Highborne arenât dressed like that back in the day. (caverns of time dungeons.)
I donât really think so. I think it just has to do with the structured clothing.
Yeah, if they did the model better they wouldnât be a carbon copy. But looking at Night Elves and Nightborne side by side, theyâre just different people of the same race.
When your only differences are skin tones (but only sometimes) and eye color itâs a pretty huge leap to say, âThese two things are massively biologically different.â
I donât think Nightborne are as different from NIght Elves as Fel Blood Elves are from Blood Elves⊠and like⊠Demon Hunters⊠Demon Hunters could pretty easily be considered a different race.
I think if you show Tyrande and Thalryssa to someone who doesnât play WoW theyâre just gonna think theyâre sisters.
Not by my logic. by WoW lore. In Chronicles a Kaldorei turns into a Queldorei during a boat ride. Not like, his kids. Him. Same way with the Nightborne. Thalryssa was a Kaldorei. In her lifetime. Sheâs just got some nightwell magic in her, and over time the Arcanâdore will change her too.
Yeah. But like I said, following that guideline, then High Elves and Blood Elves are a different race⊠and the Golden eyed Elves are different from them.
I mean itâs all academic. I donât particularly care. Itâs not like the cosmology debate is going to make High Elves playable. Itâs not like High Elves wonât be playable anyways.
Haha. Iâm not. Iâm just stuck arguing consistent logic against everybody else.
You want to say Nightborne are a different race from Night Elves? Fine.
But then for WoWâs internal logic to remain consistent, High Elves and Blood Elves arenât the same race. One has been magically changed from the other.
Which is why, when I brought it up earlier, I said Iâd rather avoid it. But⊠the logic hasnât changed so we just argue about it here cyclically to infinity.
Thatâs not true.
Iâm not convinced because there are two contradictory statementsâŠ
But then there is the internal logic that WoW rests on. So it just becomes an academic debate at that point.
WoW encyclopedia High Elves and Blood Elves are biologically the same despite Blood Elves being changed by fel magic.
WoW Race page NIghtborne and NIght Elves are a different race because they were changed by arcane magic.
It doesnât work⊠and itâll always repeat here because someone will say that the Horde doesnât have Night Elves. But the horde has copy and pasted Night Elves.
Yeah you do. haha.
Nightborne canât be a different race from the Night Elves but High Elves and Blood Elves are the same race despite being changed by magic.
Nightborne and NIght Elves can be the same race and High Elves and Blood Elves can be the same race.
OR
NIghtborne and NIght Elves can be different races but High Elves and Blood Elves are also different races.
Basically, theyâre either all Dark Trolls at different places of a magical spectrum
OR
Theyâre all unique, individual races each time they change.
Are Fel Blood Elves a different race from Blood Elves? are Wretched and Withered different races from Blood Elves and Nightborne?
The 10k thing is pointless.
Time doesnât matter for a transformation of an elf. Just intensity of magic. See Void Elves. See Falâdorei, See Demon Hunters. See FelâBlood Elves. See Satyrs.
and Elune has turned a Satyr back into a Kaldorei.
Nah. Iâm not being obtuse.
WoWâs got internal, consistent logic.
Itâs broken by the two conflicting statements. People use that in arguments here.
The only way to settle it is for a developer to comment and settle it.
yes.
No.
Iâm not.
You talked to Ion about a comment he made that changed the way he had to approach every Q&A since the moment he made it?
It does.
Ion. We had a big argument about it when you were posting on your Blood Elf.
what is your belfs name?
ion pretty much refuted your claim when he went on to say âgiving that race to the alliance would blur faction identitiesâ and he clearly meant that while blood elves dont refer to themselves as high elves anymore, the race is high elf 
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Oh. You mean where Ion said âBlood elves kind of are High Elvesâ Not like.
Iâve got a couple alts, but Iâve never posted on them, the only other character Iâve posted on is a Dwarf alt I made one post on to show that you donât need a higher trust level to put a youtube video in a post.
how do velves not though? they are legit blue belves and look EXACTLY the same in armor. if you have a hat on they look EXACTLY the same.
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okay. 
i was curious because i miss a lot skipping hundreds of posts at a time so i wasnât sure if you were someone else iâve been arguing with. 
Yeah. With his list of exceptions and differences after that.
But weâre not gonna agree on that. So. You know.
All we can do is keep asking for what we want, and discussing ideas.
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I agree. Hopefully good news from Blizzcon. They said theyâre listening to allied race feedback.
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I think we will get them. I donât know if any other race has had this much support.
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âSo, Blood Elves kind of are High Elves with different eye colors and backstory in terms of their relationship to magic in the Sunwell. But if you want to be a fair-skinned, light, blonde-haired, tall, majestic, elfâŠthat is a Blood Elf.â
Not particularly a strong showing for how theyâre very different. But you do have a tendency to change the words in that quote to better suit your argument.
I donât.
Itâs like sometimes I write sentences on the internet.
I donât know what youâve got against me. But let it go.
It would most definitely Blur faction identity if we literally got a group of Blood elves that defect from the Horde. But since we already have the theme and flavor of High elves within the alliance, and explained correctly it will not âblur faction identityâ
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itâs funny to me beyond measure that theyâre okay with alliance BELVES but not alliance helves. lololol. omg what if they were light skinned and blonde??? can you imagine???
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Yeah. At the end of the day itâs always about color palettes. Canât share those fleshtones so people can play the race thatâs been in their faction since vanilla.
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If they were to do a fair skin redo on the Velves, it would most certainly make them even more like Blood elves. Besides the glowing green eyes.
i know. lolololol.
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Well⊠they are Blood Elves.
Unlike High Elves, Void Elves did all that Blood Elf stuff.
Some of them may have been Blood Mages. Etc. They were down with the mana draining.
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