High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Leinadh-stormrage]

I always expected there was a fair share of blood elves wishing to go away from the Horde but too afraid to do so for various reasons.

Silvermoon Scholars in Togrus Rift are evidence of this. They even explicity say they “need no longer fear exile”.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

Everything about void elf lore is a huge disappointment. It’s so ill-explored and depthless. It’s so bad I can’t help but think it was made shallow on purpose so they can pull a surprise later.

I was pretty excited when they were originally datamined, but that was because everyone basically expected that Alleria would somehow convince (or at least serve as a catalyst for) Vereesa and the Silver Covenant forming the impetus of the Void Elves – and even when it started to become clear that this wasn’t the case, there was a lot of hope that at if we weren’t going to get High Elves-gone-Void then maybe Blizzard would meet us halfway by utilizing Aethas and some disgruntled Sunreavers.

No dice. As we learned more and more about them via datamining and PTR’s, they became less and less interesting.

[Leinadh-stormrage]

I always expected there was a fair share of blood elves wishing to go away from the Horde but too afraid to do so for various reasons. That story was never told, but you don’t a 180 as a society like blood elves did and not end up with a good chunk of people that has second thoughts about it. Add incentives and the hesitant ones may finally have enough reason to go rogue.

They should at least minimally try to explore that with the Void Elves, by explaining and going deep in their backstory within the Blood Elven society to explain their distaste with the kingdom’s allegiance to the Horde and how they were so eager to serve and support the Alliance, but we got nothing of that. Not even a comic or a short story.

You actually have Umbric briefly explaining this in the Alliance campaign. Still lacking, but at least it’s something.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

You actually have Umbric briefly explaining this in the Alliance campaign. Still lacking, but at least it’s something.

It explains their motivations well enough, but I’d take Mowa’s point even further and suggest that Blizzard accompany the introduction of every Allied Race with a comic or short story – because, in many cases, players will have only a basic understanding of anything about these races (even things like Highmountain or Nightborne) unless they are the type that took the time to read every quest.

[Avarie-farstriders]

What I find odd but not surprising is that we are delving deeper into the void in 8.2.5 and even have a character struggling to overcome whispers. Who researches it and finds a way to overcome the whispers? Alleria? Nope. Umrbic? Nope. New velf NPC? Nope.

It’s Wrathion.

[Broflake-illidan]

You keep saying this, as if I’ve ever asserted that this appearance was canon.

The reason for observing that there aren’t any Thalassians that have that particular eye color isn’t to suggest that such things are commonplace or easily obtained, but to reiterate that such an eye color is absolutely possible within the existing canon. And, according to your own words, such an aesthetic distinction is the only criterion for acceptability for Allied Races.

You stated, and I quote, “if [the AR’s] options not available aesthetically? It works if its different enough”

If eye color was the sole distinction high elves would have been a playable race. Clearly those visual distinctions need to be something that those of the same race cannot acquire.

So then you believe there are purple-eyed Blood Elves running around Quel’thalas. I’d love to see them, point them out, fam.

Your intentionally obtuse actions are rather puzzling to me, so we’ll skip this one and assume you’re just looking for something that isn’t there.

That it is feasibly for a BE to replicate something another group has done isn’t, and hasn’t ever been, justification enough for granting them whatever said feasible replication entails. Everything doesn’t belong to BE’s, nor are BE’s entitled to anything they could feasibly do – sorry about your luck.

Besides the fact that lor’themar was giving Liadrin arcane crystals to feed her addiction, and therefore, based on your own theories she should have purple eyes?
Still ignoring the fact that BE and HE are the same race, and you’re just perpetuating this odd mythology they are different.

It’s really not, when you consider that Rommath and Liadrin are the only two obvious replacements.

Rommath is particularly hateful of Sylvanas and Liadrin is very much for the safety of the thalassian elves as a whole. So…why would they cut off their fellow HE from the sunwell, and themselves as a result, for something Sylvanas did to their leaders?
I know I chopped your brother’s hand off, but you’ll still play on my team right?

If someone had talked about a group of Blood Elves being zapped by the Void, becoming something else entirely and becoming cut off from the Sunwell in the process, that wouldn’t have been seen as being lore-friendly either – until it was.

That’s how writing works. Not sure what to tell you.

If that isn’t how writing works, why would it not be seen as lore friendly when it breaks nothing about lore?
Your declarations of what would be considered lore friendly have no basis outside of assuming those opposing you on this subject would oppose you on everything else. That is just silly.

Citation? Wowpedia states the opposite, and without a source to boot.

Did you play Warlords of Draenor?

There is probably a reasonable explanation for this, but Blizzard pretty much sucked at being detailed in their narrative during TBC (and WotLK, and Cataclysm).

it is possible, but, then we also have blood elves with blue eyes all over the place. So it is weird.

You basically said, “heck, if you’re going to put High Elves on the Alliance, what’s next humans on the Horde?”.

Nope, my point was if A then B.
If high elves are acceptable on the horde due to individuals working with the alliance, then should humans not also be on the Horde as a playable race because of the fogsail humans?

To which the natural response was, “hey, thilly, you already have thome humanth on the Horde”.

• You’ve got one playable variety (Forsaken).
• You’ve potentially got another playable variety on the way (Forsaken AR).
• You’ve got one unplayable variety, associated with the Horde (Fogsail Freebooters).

You do realize if you’re going to play the variety card then there is no reason to ask for high elves, as both forsaken and void elves are considered no longer humans and high/blood elf respectively.

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

It is very disingenuous to come to a thread about a certain specific subject, in order to nunja your own requests: especially when your reasoning is the dame as the threads’ but you get points up because you’re not supporting this thread’s subject which is

PLAYABLE ALLIANCE ELVES.
Bad paladin!

[Zemekkis-whisperwind]

Give the Horde playable Ogres and give the Alliance playable high elves. Make it a WC2 nostalgia event.

[Broflake-illidan]

I always expected there was a fair share of blood elves wishing to go away from the Horde but too afraid to do so for various reasons. That story was never told, but, when a society does a 180 turn like blood elves did, it’s kind of obvious that a good chunk of people would have second thoughts about it. Add incentives and the hesitant ones may finally have enough reason to go rogue.

There were some blood elves who were mind controlled apparently, nothing ever came from the storyline though.
Some also don’t care about possible exile for messing with the void as Leinadh pointed out.

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

so that means…what? nothing ever changes? Fair enough: remove Blood Elves from the game, as they were never a factor in Vanilla. You want ‘pure’ Quel’Thalas, there it is; isolated AND isolarionist!

Its a boisterous claim youve made, with no examples to cite i might add, which i am used to by now from the pro side

Just can’t stop with the juvenile insults, can you?

[Broflake-illidan]

Just can’t stop with the juvenile insults, can you?

She didn’t insult you?

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

You are referring to minor things

…because yeah, deliberately changing your entire culture is just a snap of the fingers and who cares?
You LOVE to pound that ‘7000 years’ at us; here it is back at you. 7000 YEARS of Quel’Thalas culrure…GONE. Forever! Over HALF the old lands destroyed and you are now Blood Elves! In the matter of …what, a year or so or, as you put it , a DAY in elven thought, they changed their…
Name.
Worship.
Architecture.
Learned to speak ORC yuck
Welcomed the Forsaken with open arms.
and finally
Went crawling first to the Banshee Babe and then the HORDE Warchief to BEG for admittance.

but yeah just minor things.

[Broflake-illidan]

Name.

Yes

Worship.

No

Architecture.

No

Learned to speak ORC yuck

Yes, just like they knew common and still know it

Welcomed the Forsaken with open arms.

Who were being lead by Sylvanas, a hero of their people.

Went crawling first to the Banshee Babe and then the HORDE Warchief to BEG for admittance.

No.
They requested assistance from everyone else, the alliance in particular, and then Sylvanas and the horde offered assistance.
Iirc, the blood elf questline in Silvermoon takes place just before they join the horde.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

You actually have Umbric briefly explaining this in the Alliance campaign. Still lacking, but at least it’s something.

Those bits of dialogue in 8.0 seemed tailored to reply to criticism from the old void elf threads. And yet, Blizzard failed to address more than one or two points among the dozens of issues we had.

They can’t introduce a race so poorly and leave it hanging unexplained for so long. This whole situation is ridiculous.

[Broflake-illidan]

Shadowlands may offer an opportunity for the void elf race

[Leinadh-stormrage]

You actually have Umbric briefly explaining this in the Alliance campaign. Still lacking, but at least it’s something.

Those bits of dialogue in 8.0 seemed tailored to reply to criticism from the old void elf threads. And yet, Blizzard failed to address more than one or two points among the dozens of issues we had.

They can’t introduce a race so poorly and leave it hanging unexplained for so long. This whole situation is ridiculous.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I can’t like your post cause I ran out of likes for today.

[Prétre-sargeras]

Maybe an Infinite dragon flight issue where they try to reopen the dark portal pre wc2. Bring back the caverns of times and what not.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

Shadowlands may offer an opportunity for the void elf race

“BfA will offer opportunities for the void elves”, they said. “They’ll be important when we deal with the Void.”

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

Iirc, the blood elf questline in Silvermoon takes place just before they join the horde.

And nothing since. So obviously Blizzard puts them in the same category as Gnomes; a blasted broken homeland that is best well ignored.
I’m not the one you should be talking to.

Although all that I made my list on, is in PERFECT sync for which the last remnants of HIGH ELVES left; scroll up and read the various scenarios I and others have made. They’re easy to spot; not a single insult.

[Broflake-illidan]

“BfA will offer opportunities for the void elves”, they said. “They’ll be important when we deal with the Void.”

Maybe instead of pining for what you didn’t get, you could show support for what you do have?