High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Dekkar-sisters-of-elune (Dekkar)]

@broflake when are you gonna get me that 430 weapon, my dude? XD

[Broflake-illidan]

Well at some point one of us has to be mature enough to say enough, because it is getting pretty ridiculous at this point with the same arguments over and over.

Look, I know what the issue is…I won’t share my cookies with you.
I know, I know, they are samoan, but I told you Kirela I don’t.share.samoans.

@broflake when are you gonna get me that 430 weapon, my dude? XD

I’ll carry you if you want I don’t mind

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

Lore gives a reason why they are the same race.

Lore gave a reason why Void Elves were the same race, until the future came knocking. Welcome to storytelling, not sure what to tell you.

That you insist that the “chances” is directly going to suggest blood elves lost more than high elves is just theory dude.

There isn’t any theory about what I stated, it is objectively accurate to say that the BE’s have been in more individual situations wherein you can expect losses than the HE’s have.

In any case, yet again, it’s a population argument so not a single fudge is to be given.

[Broflake-illidan]

Lore gave a reason why Void Elves were the same race, until the future came knocking. Welcome to storytelling, not sure what to tell you

You’re not understanding, if the high elves change races and are no longer the same as blood elves, then they are no longer high elves.
We already have that in void elves.

There isn’t any theory about what I stated, it is objectively accurate to say that the BE’s have been in more individual situations wherein you can expect losses than the HE’s have.

In any case, yet again, it’s a population argument so not a single fudge is to be given

Correlation is not causation. Just because they have been in more does not necessarily mean they have lost more proportionally.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

You’re not understanding, if the high elves change races and are no longer the same as blood elves, then they are no longer high elves.

So then Void Elves aren’t just another flavor of High Elves?

It’s peculiar that you’re typically the one telling people that because Ion said it, it’s law – yet, here you are implying that Ion’s assertion that Blood Elves are a flavor of High Elf (and Void Elves are another flavor of High Elf) is demonstrably false. I’d be interested in seeing which checklist you use to determine which of his statements are law and which are drivel.

Correlation is not causation. Just because they have been in more does not necessarily mean they have lost more proportionally

Which is why I didn’t make any definitive statements about numbers, and merely made note of the fact that it is objectively true that BE’s have been involved in more conflicts overall than the HE’s (and, in at least four, they were decidedly the losers).

Also, this is my hourly reminder that the population disparity is entirely irrelevant to playability.

[Broflake-illidan]

So then Void Elves aren’t just another flavor of High Elves?

It’s peculiar that you’re typically the one telling people that because Ion said it, it’s law – yet, here you are implying that Ion’s assertion that Blood Elves are a flavor of High Elf (and Void Elves are another flavor of High Elf) is demonstrably false. I’d be interested in seeing which checklist you use to determine which of his statements are law and which are drivel.

in what way does this relate to the argument I presented? I am puzzled why you are bringing up Ion’s statements when I have made no mention of the matter at all. It is just a red herring on a different matter itself.
As for whatever Ion states? It depends.

Which is why I didn’t make any definitive statements about numbers, and merely made note of the fact that it is objectively true that BE’s have been involved in more conflicts overall than the HE’s (and, in at least four, they were decidedly the losers).

Yeah but then you’re just saying things to say things and it becomes pedantic.

Also, this is my hourly reminder that the population disparity is entirely irrelevant to playability.

You can repeat things and people won’t listen

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

They kinda did silly things like that to us…in 1776.

[Lavashart-dalaran]

Yo it’s getting political out there, i’m coming in here to get away from it. Sup?

[Dekkar-sisters-of-elune (Dekkar)]

you’re brave posting with that name, on the forums.

[Lavashart-dalaran]

What? I carry around the heart of ragnaros.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

I am puzzled why you are bringing up Ion’s statements when I have made no mention of the matter at all.

Exhibit A – With emphasis added post-facto.

if the high elves change races and are no longer the same as blood elves, then they are no longer high elves.

Exhibit B

We already have that in void elves.

The implication being that Void Elves are “no longer High Elves”. This standing in stark contradiction to…

Exhibit C

“Blood Elves are pretty much High Elves. Void Elves are also, pretty much, another flavor of High Elves.” – Ion Hazzikostas

As for whatever Ion states? It depends.

Ironic.

Yeah but then you’re just saying things to say things and it becomes pedantic.

There’s nothing pedantic about it at all – the purpose for highlighting these facts is for people to be able to read them and make their own minds up about what is, or isn’t, likely to be true.

You can repeat things and people won’t listen

Maybe. It’s been an hour, population disparity still doesn’t matter.

[Dekkar-sisters-of-elune (Dekkar)]

i remember ion saying that velves were essentially helves but when i said so in this thread the antis corrected me. am i just remembering wrong?

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

There’s no way to know, since their positions change with the wind.

Yestderday, VE’s were a flavor of HE’s – today, according to Broflake, they’re an unrelated species.

[Gulrum-area-52 (Gulrum)]

I love the dark skinned elves! I am a huge Avatar: The Last Airbender fan (cartoon not movie) and they totally remind me of the Water Tribe. Give them shamans for the waterbending, and we are all set!

[Broflake-illidan]

Ironic.

Not really.

Devs sometimes get it wrong on lore.
Let alone Ion’s reference was in terms of the aesthetics and game design, not necessarily the nitty gritty details on lore itself where void elves are not the same as high elves or blood elves.

There’s nothing pedantic about it at all – the purpose for highlighting these facts is for people to be able to read them and make their own minds up about what is, or isn’t, likely to be true.

Its still just speculation with no substance.

Maybe. It’s been an hour, population disparity still doesn’t matter

that is dedication.

i remember ion saying that velves were essentially helves but when i said so in this thread the antis corrected me. am i just remembering wrong?

High elves and blood elves have a connection to the sunwell.
Void elves do not.
That is a very big defining trait for that race.

today, according to Broflake, they’re an unrelated species.

Today? I’ve been saying it since day 1? Seriously, don’t mis-represent things and act as if it is a new argument brought forth. That is at best, facetious of you.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

Devs sometimes get it wrong on lore.

I’m surely blind, after seeing someone who is against playable High Elves admitting this. We need screenshots of this moment.

Its still just speculation with no substance.

There wasn’t any speculation at all in my comments.

It’s a fact that BE’s have been in more conflicts than HE’s. What conclusion someone draws from that factual information is their prerogative.

Today? I’ve been saying it since day 1? Seriously, don’t mis-represent things and act as if it is a new argument brought forth. That is at best, facetious of you.

It’s a good thing I wasn’t implying your position has changed, but rather that generally the positions of those against playable HE’s are quite erratic – hence why I brought up your position, seeing as it’s both atypical for someone against playable HE’s to hold and, ironically, a position which strengthens the argument in favor of playable HE’s.

If a little Void-juice turns you into a new species, then a little bit of any juice zapping the High Elves – new species, boom.

[Dekkar-sisters-of-elune (Dekkar)]

lol lets see how he responds to this. XD

[Broflake-illidan]

I’m surely blind, after seeing someone who is against playable High Elves admitting this. We need screenshots of this moment.

I am always rather candid about the matter. This is nothing new.

There wasn’t any speculation at all in my comments.

It’s a fact that BE’s have been in more conflicts than HE’s. What conclusion someone draws from that factual information is their prerogative

That is still speculation in terms of the outcomes though

It’s a good thing I wasn’t implying your position has changed, but rather than general position(s) of those against playable HE’s is quite erratic – hence why I brought up your position, seeing as it’s both atypical for someone against playable HE’s to hold and, ironically, a position which strengthens the argument in favor of playable HE’s.

If a little Void-juice turns you into a new species, then a little bit of any juice zapping the High Elves – new species, boom.

That is not what happened. They were being transformed by a void prince and the ritual was interrupted. It was not a case of magic ingestion

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

I’m surely blind, after seeing someone who is against playable High Elves admitting this. We need screenshots of this moment.

I am always rather candid about the matter. This is nothing new.

Actually, for those of us who can scroll up, you’ve been ‘candid’ about your unwavering support for whatever Blizzard says and does.
You been caught there, Bro.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

That is still speculation in terms of the outcomes though

Oh well.

That is not what happened. They were being transformed by a void prince and the ritual was interrupted. It was not a case of magic ingestion

Ah, my apologies, let me try again.

What you’re saying is that High Elves will become a new species, in their own right, when/if they’re forcibly inundated by some cosmic energy to such a degree that their bodies begin deteriorating.

Wonderful, let’s get it done. “Arcano-Elves”, anybody?

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