High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Broflake-illidan]

Altering them is what people are offering up as a compromise.

So what is the problem with void elves when they are literally altered versions of blood elves aesthetically?

If they have the fair skin all the time then they are no different than Blood elves aesthetically. Just blood elves with a protruding tentacle here and there o.0
Probably a void growing eye.

That third eye is useful, be nice.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

The part where the only thing that occurred was a name change? Just disingenuous on your part.

I love how you have nothing to back you up, while I have a lot of lore behind my view. Directly from quests and stories.

We had this talk before. I know it’s useless, you’ll keep ignoring what’s in front of you. But I like to remind you that you are wrong now and then.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Well the point of this thread is to discuss what we want for high elves.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

The very obvious fact that you need to keep saying “blood and high elves” is enough to show that they are different, as saying one or the other is not enough to define the whole set.

[Broflake-illidan]

You have to be pretty selective to not see the “Change VE’s into a transformation” “Change VEs to be High Elves instead” “Change VEs to have pale skin” post.

Or…maybe I just didn’t see it in a thread that has over 8.2k posts? Of course, let’s start the discussion by making an assumption of dishonesty. Par for the course.
Blood elves and high elves are the same race.
Political distinction=/= changing races.

Political distinction is not enough of a reason, otherwise, every race should be playable on both factions because a fringe group has allied with the opposite faction at some point or another.

I love how you have nothing to back you up, while I have a lot of lore behind my view. Directly from quests and stories.

I literally just quoted the lore to you. Shall we bring up encyclopedia again? Or are you going to do the thing where you ignore it?

We had this talk before. I know it’s useless, you’ll keep ignoring what’s in front of you.

there is a lot of irony here.
Do cite lore that states high elves and blood elves are different races and not the same race with different titles?

Well the point of this thread is to discuss what we want for high elves.

I understand that, and my point is why it doesn’t work.

The very obvious fact that you need to keep saying “blood and high elves” is enough to show that they are different, as saying one or the other is not enough to define the whole set.

Is this an attempt at a “gotcha?”, because acknowledging political distinction does not mean they are a different race. Or are the fogsail humans the horde ally with a different race of humans.

by your logic, any time a group changes names they are a different race.
So…yeah…your gotcha does not work.

[Avarie-farstriders]

It’s your opinion that it doesn’t work.

[Broflake-illidan]

If we’re playing the opinion game its all opinions and no one matters and the discussion should simply cease because its opinion.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

@Broflake-illidan

Do cite lore that states high elves and blood elves are different races and not the same race with different titles?

Sure, here:

The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

Blood elves = high elves? I’ll let these characters answer for me: “We must put this misery behind us. We must enter a new chapter! And so I say to you that, as of this day, we are no longer high elves! In honor of the blood that was shed throughout this kingdom, in honor of the sacrifices of our brothers and sisters, our parents, and our children, in honor of Anasterian… as of this day we will take the name of our royal lineage! As of this day, we are sin’dorei! For Quel’Thalas! Hail to the …

Where else? Here too.

WOW Legion 🌟 Suramar Campaign 7.1 Cutscene - Tyrande, Vereesa & Liadrin VS. Elisande

But of course, you will deny IN-UNIVERSE CHARACTERS treating them as separate entities because otherwise you’d need to admit you are wrong.

[Broflake-illidan]

Sure, here:

Looks like a name change to me, not a change of race.
Same for the second link.

But of course, you will deny IN-UNIVERSE CHARACTERS treating them as separate entities because otherwise you’d need to admit you are wrong.

Different groups have different names, they don’t stop being a race.
All of them are high elves collectively, or blood elves, whichever you choose

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

Thematic blunder? How so?

The decision to put NE’s on the Alliance, where they didn’t and still don’t exactly have many commonalities with the other members, hasn’t done them any favors insofar as the course of their development is concerned – in fact, if you search it out, you can find people complaining about the NE’s being “de-fanged” by Blizzard solely to make them seem more fitting to the Alliance’s broader culture.

This is almost exactly the same for BE’s, but in reverse – instead of them becoming docile, Blizzard has recently taken to depicting them as being uncharacteristically ruthless. If the trend continues, it’s going to be harder and harder to suggest that the Blood Elves are the spiritual successors to Quel’thalas (though, obviously, they’re still absolutely the physical successors).

They instead went closer to a disc world or DnD theme where elves aren’t always allies to dwarves and humans.

Eh, both Night Elves and High Elves have been aligned with the Alliance since the launch of the game – with the former being playable.

Let alone it would create, again, an issue in terms of design because a core race for the horde only appears ONCE on their side, but appears TWICE on the opposing faction for which they were not playable originally.

As I stated, this would be mirrored by a core race from the Alliance being available only once on the Alliance and twice on the Horde. It isn’t “an issue”, in that hypothetical.

What would you do? Make sanlayn? okay cool, but I don’t see any alliance races jumping ship to the Horde. If they did because they can “just write lore”, then what is the issue with “just writing lore” for void elves to have high elf converts?

The very first sentence of my comment was pretty clear. In order to balance out the fact that the Alliance would have two iterations of Thalassian, the Horde would need to receive another NE-inspired Allied Race (thus, mirroring the situation on both factions).

As for the Void Elf debacle, you won’t find any debate from me about that. I’ve been pretty consistent in saying I’d be fine with them doing what you proposed earlier. If the HE’s were convinced, or forced, to become VE’s it wouldn’t really bother me much – though I’d hope for a non-tentacled hairstyle for each length (i.e. short, medium, long), to help players re-iterate that the HE’s-gone-VE’s aren’t as prone to giving themselves to the Void.

Just saying, its flat out wanting to take two bites out an apple that was not originally alliance.

Facetious Comment: We just want a couple bites out of the apple that was stolen from us to begin with.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

All of them are high elves collectively, or blood elves, whichever you choose

So predictable.

[Elyssaria-kargath]

Blood Elf - WoW

The link has the racial abilities for Blood elves.

We can make a differentiation in this regard. The blood elves must have learned their arcane torrent after the scourge.

We don’t need the arcane acuity.-although for commonization it would make sense.

Maybe a mastery boost or resources efficiency boost.

[Cyprinne-ragnaros (Cyprinne)]

Facetious Comment: We just want a couple bites out of the apple that was stolen from us to begin with.

I mean, we all know is about you feeling robbed since BC, yet, it still amuses me how this has been going on for so long and with so many lies and pretentions.

[Fyorsing-sargeras]

I mean, we all know is about you feeling robbed since BC, yet, it still amuses me how this has been going on for so long and with so many lies and pretentions.

I noticed you were replying and waited here, patiently, for like 7 minutes hoping for some sort of amazing response. This is what I was met with… something I can’t even understand.

5 out of 7.

[Broflake-illidan]

The decision to put NE’s on the Alliance, where they didn’t and still don’t exactly have many commonalities with the other members, hasn’t done them any favors insofar as the course of their development is concerned – in fact, if you search it out, you can find people complaining about the NE’s being “de-fanged” by Blizzard solely to make them seem more fitting to the Alliance’s broader culture.

This is almost exactly the same for BE’s, but in reverse – instead of them becoming docile, Blizzard has recently taken to depicting them as being uncharacteristically ruthless. If the trend continues, it’s going to be harder and harder to suggest that the Blood Elves are the spiritual successors to Quel’thalas (though, obviously, they’re still absolutely the physical successors).

Except we have seen cases where the BE’s are ruthless in their actions. Beyond the dark portal depicts what a high elf would do when they’ve lost everything, in the case of Alleria who became extremely hateful of the Horde.
Vareesa herself as also been very hateful, so it is not uncharacteristic of them, particularly because they are a race that is so endangered in terms of its population. When face with such a situation morality becomes an option, not a necessity in your society.
it is only recently they have turned away from it with the restoration of the sunwell.

Yes, people are unhappy about the night elves, but simply because there is a difference between races does not mean they cannot align. The idea it is a thematic blunder is a poor argument, given it helps to give the alliance much needed variety, such as that of worgen who are brutal beings in their nature.
Should the worgens be with the horde then?

Blizzard has been all about twisting things around to make them work. It is not unusual and not against the theme of things.

Eh, both Night Elves and High Elves have been aligned with the Alliance since the launch of the game – with the former being playable.

High elves formerly left the alliance in WC2. 99% of their population obeyed their king and left. So no, it is wrong to state high elves have been allied with the alliance.
You have had individual high elves remain with the alliance, but the high elves have not, and did not desire to be allied with the alliance. It has been a constant theme in the warcraft games.

Should we do the same for the Horde when they have had such individuals work with them repeatedly?

The very first sentence of my comment was pretty clear. In order to balance out the fact that the Alliance would have two iterations of Thalassian, the Horde would need to receive another NE-inspired Allied Race (thus, mirroring the situation on both factions).

No, they would not be NE inspired they would need to be NE. High elves are blood elves, so if you’re going to do one, you need to do the same with the other and give over the exact same race in turn.

As for the Void Elf debacle, you won’t find any debate from me about that. I’ve been pretty consistent in saying I’d be fine with them doing what you proposed earlier. If the HE’s were convinced, or forced, to become VE’s it wouldn’t really bother me much – though I’d hope for a non-tentacled hairstyle for each length (i.e. short, medium, long), to help players re-iterate that the HE’s-gone-VE’s aren’t as prone to giving themselves to the Void.

Correct me if I am wrong, but don’t void elves get two versions for long hair styles? one with tentacles one without it?
IMO, I’d take void elves over nightborne.

Facetious Comment : We just want a couple bites out of the apple that was stolen from us to begin with.

I am going to shake you.

So predictable.

Just because you don’t like something does not make it false.

[Cyprinne-ragnaros (Cyprinne)]

I don’t expect you to like or think highly of anything that goes against your desire.

[Hiply-lightbringer]

Man that wouldnt be sort of cool. Hearing voices while you play? Why arent void elves like that already?

N’Zoth be whisperin’ in my head allllllllll day.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

The very obvious fact that you need to keep saying “blood and high elves” is enough to show that they are different, as saying one or the other is not enough to define the whole set.

No, that’s not a true statement. They are not different races, they are the same race with a political difference. They are both non-GMO Thalassian Elves, as opposed to their GMO counterparts the Void Elves.

The “politics makes them different races” argument is fundamentally flawed; Democrats and Republicans - though every bit as far apart politically as Blood and High Elves - are both human.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

are both human.

Like stormwind humans and kul tirans?

I don’t care if they have the same biology, for purposes of both story and gameplay, they are different races.

[Broflake-illidan]

Both are humans according to devs