High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

Very well possible, though I believe WoW has gotten better about how characters “die” and then show up later on.
This isn’t shadows of mordor.

I guess I like to torture myself

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https://imgur.com/MXS5hEG

Thoughts/suggestions on the color scheme so far?

Different strokes and all that… :wink:

Maybe a lighter blue than that. Check out the Spaulders of the Ring on wowhead. The SC can be seen using that and most of the armor/buildings use something close to it. Also the SC tabard has like a powder blue with silver. Not sure if thats what unified High Elves would do, but it seems to be colors that they use a lot. Even the High Vale Elves use a slightly lighter blue.

edit: Oh it is the armor the Highvale sentry npc uses.

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If the argument concludes with “…and that’s why I believe High Elves shouldn’t be implemented”, it is typically going to considered as being dismissive of the spirit of this thread – whose intended purpose was to be a thread wherein people could conceptualize ways in which High Elves might come to be depicted as sufficiently unique from and easily discernible from Blood Elves (and Void Elves).

Thus, the question isn’t “would High Elves, as they exist currently, be unique enough from Blood Elves to be generally well-received by both factions?”; instead, it is “what would it take for High Elves to become unique enough from Blood Elves, allowing for them to become generally well-received by both factions?”.

I’m also not suggesting that you toe some undefined line, or agree with everything herein; I myself am not at all a fan of “the Highvale” concept, mostly because it’s extremely derivative of the Wildhammer Dwarves and feels like it infringes upon the Blood Elves (via Farstriders) a little too heavily for my liking.

See that? That’s what disagreeing with something, at a conceptual level, without feeling the need to conclude “because I don’t think this is unique enough, no other iteration of such a playable option could feasibly exist” looks like. It’s easy enough.

Aye? I also said I had no interest in policing thoughts. Me perdiste, amigo. :man_shrugging:

I, also, agree. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t consciously keep the conversation pointed – which isn’t possible if we’re not even on the same page about what we’re discussing, let alone how to discuss it.

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What you do Murg is that I have seen you make acknowledgement of possible story lines where it works for High elves to happen.

The breaking away from dalaran… not that it necessarily changes his position in all this. You seem to see the game has a more maliable future. But you arnt capitulating.

When others make statements on both sides to get us back to arguing over really little details is what gets frustrating and creates animosity.

If you have made a point previously please try and not resurrect it. It’s not going to make it any less valid or more valid to move on from it.

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because high elves arent an alliance race in any standing beyond a few individuals. because the horde would be giving some of its identity to the alliance and the blood elves would lose their uniqueness while the alliance gain something. because the high elf story isnt the 3 that actually reported for duty in the faction war. its the blood elf story now. blizzard would have to admit that their unique take on the high elf fantasy trope was wrong

This isn’t a set in stone formula, and no one, absolutely no one is trying to take away the Blood elves story, their lore, their uniqueness.

Blood elves are great all of their own, they are a core race.

High elves would not be a core race central to their faction because they would be an allied race.

We can reasonably have both without watering down the other.

If you feel the ownership is under attack over blood elves then that’s your perception. It’s really up to Blizzard how this is handled.

Blizz also would not have to admit they are wrong on the Blood elves.

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Dark Iron, Void Elves, Kul’tirans and Lightforged draenei had no members in the Alliance before ARs became a thing. To say High Elves dont have representation now doesnt mean they wont in the future.

This already happened with the Void Elves. The Thalassian body is already on the Alliance.

High Elves went their own route and Blood Elves theirs. They both have their own stories to experience now.

Youre going to have to explain this more. Blizzard has High Elves in game and Blood Elves in game. They are both represented as the “high elf fantasy trope”. How would they be wrong when its their own lore for their own game?

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you got the model minus the theme and aesthetics of a blood/high elf

Except that this is your preference on the matter and the debate of the issue at hand. It does not necessarily mean an individual must follow your own sense of how the discussion should be held or managed. Some then choose to debate the opposing argument, and that then results in the debate being engaged in some earnest before a conclusion is reached.

Simply because you disagree with the point an individual provides and find it displeasing, does not necessarily mean it lacks the nuance behind it. If an individual finds there is no reasonable iteration which can exist, then that is the point they are making. it does not necessarily immediately make it right or wrong.

What I am drawing from your statement is you don’t necessarily disagree with the arguments being held in their basis, you simply disagree with how they are being portrayed. Of which case, that simply falls to a matter of preference, and unless they act truly egregious as Fyre, Oreahna, and a few others have, it falls down to what one prefers. It does not break from the spirit of the discussion at hand.

Pardon, it simply appeared to me that your words are contradictory to your previous notion.
By the way, why do you use perdiste? Isn’t that more commanding?

I believe part of the issue is how many different individuals are engaging in it. There is no formal way to make people hold a discussion. That would require; ironically; a debate discord.

High Elves dont have the same gear as the Blood Elves. The aesthetics of High Elves are different than Blood Elves. Void Elves have the same silhouette as them. When youre running around in game you can see Void Elves in the same armor Blood Elves can wear.

You can achieve the same look as a high elf. Just make sure you use a DK for the eyes.

As it stands, I simply do not agree with the notion of playable high elves given the narrative of that race is held by the blood elves. They are a fringe group like the fog sail humans, it does not mean they must be playable when their fantasy was designed with the blood elves in mind.

Furthermore, again, the alliance has void elves. A group of blood elves who never engaged in horde vs alliance shenanigans, and have all the history of the high elves.
One cannot forget that the alliance already possesses a similar aesthetic, and it would introduce game design issues along with community issues to give the alliance two, of a race that is originally horde in playability.

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Fyre, question for you. If you found out high elves were being implemented on the alliance, what would you want to see for their model, an altered model or the thalassian model? What would make you feel better about the story?

Funniest part is this isn’t a “debate” High Elves, this is a discussion on High Elves, by going against the context of the thread you are by Blizzards definition, “Trolling”.

She’s also not wrong, you’re here to argue solely for the sake of derailment and for you to act like you’re “discussing” when we all know what you’re about is laughable.

You had the “discussion” a long time ago, drew your line in the sand, and have made it your purpose to try and silence the topic so High Elves disappear into obscurity, we’re all adults, you’re literally not tricking anyone. :man_shrugging:

thats a loaded question. because they are the same people they cannot be differentiated without becoming less of a high elf. the model and aesthetics would be the same. when you ask for an altered model or void elves with light skin you are proving its not about the lore but the aesthetic. as a void elf is still a void elf

I am asking about what you personally would want to see for high elves and their story if they were confirmed as an alliance AR.

Discussions include debates, and by Blizzard’s definition, it is allowed on the forums. As much as you want to call everyone a troll, that just makes you look ridiculous.

You sure? I don’t feel as if I am addressing a fellow peer.

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i like how they are used now. to show the divide of the high elf people. making them playable would allow them to redefine what a high elf is. it would be like making the defias a playable horde race who have no right to represent humans in any capacity