High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Broflake-illidan]

Why do they feel the need to push an angenda and try to say that people aren’t different? Race refers to a distinct, group of people that share genetic and physical traits.

Why do they not acknowledge this? Saying the differences are social constructs does not undo untold years of geographic isolation.

It is used primarily for ease of use, even though scientifically it is a term that holds little weight.
It is a confusing debate that is for sure, and I read a lot of papers regarding the issue.
Those distinct appearances, if my memory serves me right, falls in the same vein as anomalies of the human body where a persons aorta branches off twice instead of three times.
Yeah, there is a clear pattern due to geographic isolation but it isnt enough to denote a new subdivision.

[Leinadh-stormrage]

Indeed, but WoW handles the term “race” differently to substitute “species”.

Not at all - WoW handles the term “race” very differently depending on the context. Sometimes they mean race or species, sometimes they mean faction. Otherwise “allied races” as “allied species” would not make sense at all considering most of them aren’t different species.

[Broflake-illidan]

Not at all - WoW handles the term “race” very differently depending on the context. Sometimes they mean race or species, sometimes they mean faction. Otherwise “allied races” as “allied species” would not make sense at all considering most of them aren’t different species.

Allied races simply means, a race that looks like another existing race.
Whether or not its an entirely different race, like nightborne and void elves, really just falls down to lore.
It is why everyone thought for a bit KT humans were Drust mixed.

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

Clearly, we just underwent Island Gigantism.

[Broflake-illidan]

YOUR HANDS COULD KILL NZOTH!

Seriously!

[Softsong-aggramar (Softsong)]

Did i say you said they werent Alliance?
I merely pointed out what he said was interesting imo.
Mind you, it seems i replied to you accidentally, so sorry for that, my mistake.

Well you quoted me saying they were Alliance for some reason so I imagined you thought you were trying to correct me.

I think its interesting that Metzen suggests that the high elve’s loyalty to the Alliance waned after witnessing the treatment of the Blood Elves, and their near genocide. So much so that even some of the High elves that remained with the Alliance out of loyalty were swayed to rejoin the Blood Elves. This was not something I was aware of.

[Softsong-aggramar (Softsong)]

Allied races simply means, a race that looks like another existing race.
Whether or not its an entirely different race, like nightborne and void elves, really just falls down to lore.
It is why everyone thought for a bit KT humans were Drust mixed.

Pretty disingenuous for them to split hairs over semantics when they know the context you were using the word “race” in.

Also interesting to note is that the High Elf in Allerian Stronghold named Ros’eleth refers to the Blood Elves as Quel’dorei and tries to actively save them by procuring Draenic vessels of arcane magic to temp them from Kael’thas’ grip. The fact that she refers to them as Quel’dorei suggest that even the High elves themselves don’t see themselves different enough from Blood Elves to consider themselves a different “race”. Even their very leader Auric refers to both groups collectively as children of Quel’thalas.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Same race, different paths, different allegiences, different choices. Sometimes the most significant differences have little to do with appearances, and ignoring those differences while focusing on looks dismisses the lore of both groups.

[Caelis-azshara]

Because there’s no reason we should have to “settle” or “compromise” for something that isn’t even remotely what an actual “ Alliance High elf” is. When the games lore, the games story, and the games mechanics make the idea of adding High Elfs as a playable race so easily achievable.

I shouldn’t pop into these too much

Why not? You have valuable insight and are decently logical, which is a lot more than can be said for others.

[Broflake-illidan]

Same race, different paths, different allegiences, different choices. Sometimes the most significant differences have little to do with appearances, and ignoring those differences while focusing on looks dismisses the lore of both groups.

Except that aesthetics is an important part of gameplay. You cannot discount thought.

Because there’s no reason we should have to “settle” or “compromise”

You’re asking for what the Horde have in its exact appearance, despite already having void elves.
Asking for two bites out of the apple is hella greedy so expect to compromise.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Well we’ve offered up a myriad of suggestions about how to differentiate them aesthetically, but those get shot down. We want the lore, not necessarily the exact appearance.

Void elves have neither and weren’t asked for in the first place. It’s not like we said we wanted them instead and then asked for high elves after anyway.

I’d gladly exchange them for actual high elves.

[Elyssaria-kargath]

Same race, different paths, different allegiences, different choices. Sometimes the most significant differences have little to do with appearances, and ignoring those differences while focusing on looks dismisses the lore of both groups.

The thing is even though it’s of the same “race” there is a group of them allied to the alliance. Since being a core race is unreasonable, due to blizzards previous statements not them, they do qualify as an Allied race.

Not saying Chris metzen is wrong with his comments from 2005, but that was before WOTLK when they inserted a High elf faction into the alliance. I think it was a way explaining the paradigm shift of the blood elves to abandon their past reluctance to join the alliance and go horde.

It is a race, already allied with the alliance. Void elves have already established that population is not a factor.

[Caelis-azshara]

You’re asking for what the Horde have in its exact appearance, despite already having void elves.

Sorry you’re still stuck on this after being part of the discussion for so long, but:

Well we’ve offered up a myriad of suggestions about how to differentiate them aesthetically, but those get shot down. We want the lore, not necessarily the exact appearance.

I know you know this. It’s time to stop choosing to be so actively oblivious, we know you have a personal vendetta about the issue and it really doesn’t have anything to do with what you claim to have a problem with.

[Broflake-illidan]

Sorry you’re still stuck on this after being part of the discussion for so long, but:

Sorry you’re refusing to acknowledge the primary obstacle in your path.

I know you know this. It’s time to stop choosing to be so actively oblivious, we know you have a personal vendetta about the issue and it really doesn’t have anything to do with what you claim to have a problem with.

mmmm…nope.
Despite your claims that is just in your head.

[Leinadh-stormrage]

What would the tabard of the High Elves be? Would they recover the unicorn symbol or would that be a lil tacky?

[Avarie-farstriders]

i think a unicorn would be fine!

[Elyssaria-kargath]

Problem is that we wouldn’t be able to use the symbol that is used on the boats.

Blizz hasn’t figured out how to make tabards with out using a mirrored image. Use they could hurdle this, so many cool tabards they could do without that.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Maybe they could alter it somehow then. I will try and think of some concepts for their tabard.

[Elyssaria-kargath]

I’d hope they steer away from the Phoenix symbolism. That belongs to the Blood elves. The Unicorn seems to fit the high elves well.

I’d like to see maybe a bit darker blue, and some gold. Iam not crazy about the SC tabard lol.

[Avarie-farstriders]

They could make it completely different from the belf tabard. Slap some blue paint on it and some tentacles and call it a day!