Yeah I do believe that the guy saying they “lost their souls” wasn’t entirely accurate as many times after that they say that they’re more morally grey and that whether you’re good or bad is dependent on the player. “Who are you? what is you want” etc, etc. And this was probably far before they planned on giving them a redemption arc too.
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yeah, so they do start off kinda evil, but are redeemed. and by kinda evil i mean, due to no fault of their own (unless you argue that they weren’t pro-active enough in the face of impending doom), they had become nihilistic and bitter. this is not hard to believe. we all have moments where our cynicism overrides even common sense and logic.
where i think, and dont quote me on this, where i think they fit with the horde is the misfits concept. they lost their souls is the devs way of saying they became walking dead in a metaphorical sense, like the undead. who knows, maybe they originally toyed with the idea of making all the high elves undead because of arthas, and then decided it’d be better to go the route they inevitably chose.
Suprisingly, in Legion, when everyone was ‘neutral’ the SC were marked Alliance friendly on an Alliance toon. The Kirin Tor was yellow, but not the SC. As per this image from a Trial Toon:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/436275510725836820/604656178139627520/unknown.png
If they were neutral, shouldnt they be yellow like the Kirin Tor is showcased?
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Again, just because you do not like it does not make it a proper example especially because of Lor’themar’s lines. The knowledge of Alleria being changed was known to everyone, and she was still called a child of quel’thalas even though she was there on behalf of the alliance.
Clearly, political affiliation is meaningless, especially when he called it her birthright.
You’re telling me he would exclude foot soldiers, but for some reason, would not exclude a political leader of the alliance until AFTER she nearly corrupts it?
Sounds like transference on your part.
Why do you insist on trying to create something that does not exist? You’re literally saying
“Blood elves aren’t letting high elves do pilgrimage after X, Y, Z.” when there is NOTHING to suggest it.
Literally, that is the definition of headcanon. I should not even be debating this with you.
You have nothing to support this statement given that blood elves and high elves are the same race. There are blood elves who were not present for the reignition of the sunwell just as there were no high elves present for its reignition and it was cited EXPLICITLY that all of them were affected the same way.
Citation needed.
Shadows of the sun disagrees.
Any priest high elf disagrees.
“You’re not agreeing to me being nonsensical. Now I am going to insult, say I won’t respond, say you should have not responded to me on a public forum, and LOLOLOLOL on the way out.”
Good stuff.
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'Aurora’s voice startled him. “I had wondered why the pangs of the addiction felt so eased lately. I have not needed… help… to cope.”
“The magic in the Sunwell is different now,” Lor’themarsaid. “It may take a while for some to adjust.”
“Some, yes.” Aurora reached her hand up and seemed to grasp something that Lor’themar could not see, twisting it between her fingers as if it were a long ribbon. “I am a priestess of the Light. I know this magic.”
“It was a great gift,” Lor’themar heard himself say. Aurora looked sidelong at him, and he knew his lack of conviction had not gone unnoticed.’
She identifies the nature of that magic, however, she was already a priestess of the light, and in no where in that book it states that any High elf nor Aurora herself started to manipulate that exact source of power.
There is a difference between feeling the power and actually using it. Aurora was already a priestess of the light so these kind of powers didn’t just came to her hands.
High elves do not share the same use of the light as Blood Knights, Blood Knights are the ones who do a mix of classical light usage and Sunwell’s light energy usage.
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I think that whole concept was really forced on them to justify their sudden inclusion on the Horde to the players, but over time as the Blood elves sort of found their place Blizzard no longer felt that narrative was needed or suitable for them and began them on their arc toward redemption.
I feel like taking game mechanics or UI settings as evidence of a faction’s allegiance is a pretty precarious form of evidence. It’s when you’re no longer dealing with facts supported in-game, and begin to tread into theories prone to bias and conjecture. While I certainly do think that the Silver Covenant is on better terms with the Alliance than the Horde, I do not think this means they’ve aligned with the alliance or dedicated to their war effort as their purpose has always been serving Dalaran first and foremost. The only instance I think I’ve seen them act out of Dalaran’s interest was when they went off to assist Halduron and the Farstriders against the amani.
It depends on your toon.
If you are a Horde, the SC shows a neutral, the Kirin Tor shows as friendly.
If you are alliance, the Kirin Tor are neutral, the SC are friendly.
It may be a matter of just how the game is programmed. We should not really rely on the game to accurately reflect lore.
What?
How do you quote the source, read where it states she is manipulating that energy which is stated by Lor’themar
But say it says nothing about high elves not manipulating it?
Let alone the fact that high elves and blood elves are the same race so they are affected by the sunwell the same way..
Your argument is literally trying to suggest that high elves and blood elves are not the same people. A headcanon argument.
Citation needed because your quote above says otherwise.
[Citation needed]
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The fact that she specifically states that she no longer needs help coping with her withdrawals is a direct implication that she is indeed drawing on the Well regardless of whether she was a priestess before its restoration. To say that no High elf utilizes the power of the Sunwell despite being innately connected to it would suggest some bias or personal refrain, but no where is it ever stated that High elves reject the light of the well, especially considering that many High elves are seen traveling and residing at the Well.
You theory suggests a cultural opinion or ideal that is not mentioned, or even implied anywhere in the game or novels. The idea that High elves would reject a source of magic that they already allow themselves to draw from sounds completely illogical.
Manipulating it is the same as controlling it. Spellcasting is the form of manipulating magic by the caster.
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Of damn course my friend.
Not using the light of the Sunwell =/= Not using the Sunwell
They do use the Sunwell, every Thalassian is connected to it. They just aren’t harmonized to the essence of M’uru. The light of the Sunwell.
One of the reasons that got High elves exiled or made them leave Quel’thalas was the enslaving of M’uru, they didn’t approved it and only the Blood elves were the ones who harmonized themselves with it’s essence. In no where in any given time it states any High elf have harmonized or used the essence of that being.
I thought you were not responding?
The citation is right there. Here.
Citation provided, or are you going to do like the other guy and ignore it?
It is supported in game. Go check for yourself on an Alliance Trial Toon, i sure did.
Make one and go straight to Suramar. Dont do anything else.
Trial Toons are like the basic of toons. Pre exisiting characters can show other things whilst trial shows default.
My Nightborne for example had Kirin Tor Friendly from Wrath after i leveled and it showed in Suramar. But when i looked on a Trial BE warlock, both were yellow.
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Feeling the energy =/= Using it.
Again.
[Citation needed]
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It is stated by Velen the sunwell is a mix of both arcane and light. So…no… you’re wrong from the get go. The essence of M’uru is a part of the sunwell, they are not separable.
Headcanon on your part again.
M’uru stopped existing when his essence was used to re-ignite the sunwell. Which the high elves feed on.
As they are thalassian elves.
Which are also blood elves.
Headcanon
That just makes it a matter of how each toon is coded Casmir. We really should not try to use game mechanics because they don’t often go with the lore accordingly. It is better to stick with the lore, since game mechanics are inconsistent as seen.
Unless stated, this is head cannon. You can’t believe this and also say:
“Blood elves can feed off the Arcane in the Sunwell and eventually can get Blue eyes” like you have before.
It’s perfectly possible to believe the story for this specific High Elf is that she now uses the Light that is available to every race that can play a priest, as a way to sate her withdrawal. As that is the hidden story of the High Elves, dealing with being “disconnected” from the fountain.
Blizzard has yet to expand even remotely on this story otherwise High Elves would indeed have yellow eyes since “All elves are connected to the Sunwell.”
So you can be lead to believe that Blizzard still sees the High Elf’s story as the elfs that “do not feed off the Sunwell any longer”. Both theories are possibilities.
[Citation needed]
Sure
I mean, you can continue trolling but I’ll just keep using your own post on you.
Why she would not know that magic if she is a priestess of the light?
She was manipulating the light in her hands, it’s unsurprising and there is no evidence that it was the energy of the Sunwell.
There is nothing that says they aren’t harmonized to the essence of M’uru, or that is even a necessity for using it’s powers. You better start giving us some citations to these “facts”
Uh what? No High elves got exiled because they didn’t agree with the enslaving of M’uru, by the time this happened there were no longer any High elves in Quel’thalas to begin with. In fact most Blood Elves didn’t agree with the Siphoning of M’uru and did not partake in it in any form at all and looked down upon the Blood knights for practicing such a cruel form of magic. The only case of High elves being exiled were the ones who did not agree with siphoning magic in general (far before M’uru came into the picture) and these High elves were the ones that resided in Quel’lithien lodge.
No where in the game does it say anything about harmonizing with the essence of M’uru or that it is even required to use it’s light energies, where are you even getting this from?