Honestly in Fyor’s defense I was arguing a point she wasn’t even making lmao
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It’s pretty impressive to carry on for like 3-hours about something we ultimately agreed on, you’ve got to admit.
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oh my. lol and now we know why peace is hard to sustain, particularly since we see just a slight misunderstanding, while speaking the same language no less!! can lead to hours of argument, which powerful leaders wouldnt even bother with. they’d just start blowing each other up. lol
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You do realize, this was in regards to what races were being implemented, not in regards to what faction they were being implemented.
If you’re going to cite something, don’t shoot yourself in the foot trying to look intelligent.
I am no developer, but I certainly am fluent in English.
Wow…not sure how you came to that conclusion but okay.
When the lead dev says “not a fan but we didn’t want to cut anyone off from playing them”, it suggests they are not happy with their implementation. Given they won’t ever put another neutral race in the game, it is pretty obvious how it is felt on the matter.
You’re right, which means you don’t know either, so why is it acceptable for you to engage in this discussion to suit your argument but not myself?
Your argument is dual sided, which was my point.
There is no correlation, you simply think there is one.
Fits you perfectly here.
Blood elves are high elves. Therefore, high elves are horde.
Not being vague, you made a claim that someone somewhere said something that supports you. You want me to find it.
Not doing that, that is a shifting of the burden and it is up to you to cite the information not me.
let me stop you right here.
No one is in the business of reading your mind or reading your intent. That is all up to you on properly articulating yourself. Work on yourself before you question anyone else’s intelligence. Nonsense like this is how the threads get locked. Moving on to the rest of the weaksauce argument.
I focused on a singular aspect of your argument, that isn’t a strawman. Your argument was not mis-represented.
Except for the fac tthat we have seen high elves such as Vareesa involve herself in the affairs of quel’thalas and make statements of it being her home?
The game does not work on citizenship either, it just moves fluidly.
Yes…yes it does, it explicitly states the fact that they are drawing upon it and lor’themar also states it as well. That it is different from the past and that everyone would need time to get used to it.
Let alone biologically, blood elves and high elves are the same people. Why would the sunwell arbitrarily, for no reason, not work on all thalassian elves?
You do realize your argument is suggesting blood knights are the only ones drawing from the sunwell right? A notion which is cmopletely unsupported by every single piece of sunwell lore.
Much of it is referenced offhand, such as the appearance of azerite across the land. The game not showing it is different from the lore stating changes have occurred. Don’t substitute your headcanon as fact please.
I have an idea on whose alt you are, and it shames me to even argue with you.
I could not read anything you wrote in the last part, re-write it so that it is legible please.
It’s a narrative that doesn’t hold by itself given the things that happened since MoP. Doesn’t matter how much you deny it, my dear.
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Just because something does not make sense to you, does not mean it does not make sense. Just don’t try pushing it onto everyone.
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Is this how you handle any lore development you don’t agree with? Simply pretend it isn’t there? Hm, interesting.
Can you not accuse me of doing something and do that thing right away? Seems like an overall theme with you.
It suggest it’s still his take on it, not the words of the team. In fact, he says that they didn’t wanted to deny it to anyone, so adding that is inconsequential given that doesn’t change that he is the only one who has said something along the lines about Pandaren.
Who said this?
I’m not the one saying that I know what they have or have not their hands into.
Bad memory? How many times did you or any of the obnoxious handful of antis repeated that High elves are the exact same?
It’s the perfect example, I don’t care you don’t feel comfortable with it. Pandaren are the exact same and High elves already have differences. 
Not even you believe this. Do you have to resort to spiteful non-answers when facing opposition?
This is vague, High elves have a different culture than Blood elves and the posts from that belf paladin are a list on why they don’t have the same culture. Sorry if you want to hide behind such vague of an excuse. 
As I said, not very bright. Instead of acknowledging what I said you hide under the excuse of the ‘burden of proof’ when it simply irrelevant since you are one of those who already knew what I have been referring to.
So you did it.
Let me teach you about what a Strawman is and how does it apply here.
Strawmanning is modifying the argument of the contrary into something easy to attack, and this can be done in multiple ways.
So… Given that you recognized that you ‘focused’ on ‘a singular aspect’ to take it out of context… You have made an strawman and therefore a weak argument that tells a lot about you.
My argument is not that they are different because they don’t live in Quel’thalas. Read again.
Their former* home. Which they want to bring to the Alliance. If anything.
If the Amani destroyed Quel’thalas… There would have not be anything to ‘bring’ to the Alliance.
You can’t simply take out of context things to make points, since it’s as easy as to tell the missing points and poof, truth restored, gone, fixed. 
We don’t get told about every zone and it’s current state. Because we get some info about some of them that doesn’t make what I said wrong. You are truly holding into shattered soil.
Look, I don’t have a damn pet nor even a mount, I have already told that I’m from EU, I’m not anyone’s alter from US.
Seriously, stop screaming at me how much unreasonable you want to get just to maintain a point.
What are you talking about? What a bunch of bad excuses.
‘In this case sticking to the lore that was told way back in WotLK and was not updated when important things related to it happened in MoP, and after that, with the context of BfA, is sticking to lore that no longer exist in the same context it did back then.’
‘Not legible’.
Projection? 
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‘Hey, you are allowed to go to this common place that we own because you were part of our society, it’s in good faith to help rebuild relations’
‘Ah yes? let me stab that dude, steal that other one’s bank account and kick any of your people from this city’
‘You are still allowed to the common place we shared’
‘And now our factions are in a gigantic war’
‘uhh…’
That piece of lore was from WotLK and things have changed A LOT. The only thing that is happening here is that you don’t like me, but whatever, dummy people can’t get past their puny feelings
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'‘Hey, you are allowed to go to this common place that we own because you were part of our society, it’s in good faith to help rebuild relations’
‘Ah yes? let me stab that dude, steal that other one’s bank account and kick any of your people from this city’
‘You are still allowed to the common place we shared’
‘And now our factions are in a gigantic war’
‘uhh…’
That piece of lore was from WotLK and things have changed A LOT. The only thing that is happening here is that you don’t like me, but whatever, dummy people can’t get past their puny feelings ’
Edit: Let’s be real, in a context without knowing ourselves and without discussing High elves the idea that Blood elves allowing pilgrimage to the Sunwell during WotLK and how we don’t know if that is maintained after what happened in MoP and even now with the war in BfA would be pretty much undisputed. We don’t know and it’s an obscure point of lore without answer to it.
But feefees are loud when the head is empty, too much echo.
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The high elves left Quel’thalas and the void elves offered an existential threat to the Sunwell.
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Yeah, everybody knows Valeera Sanguinar is a master of the Light.
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The Sunwell is a mixture of those two forces, it’s not half Arcane half Light somehow separated.
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Of course there are High Elves who desire reunification. Under the Alliance banner, of course.
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Seems I forgot to answer this. Let me correct a pair of muddied points you just made before anything:
No, Blood Knights are not the only one drawing from the Sunwell, it’s a no-brainer and implying I would have said such thing tells a lot about what kind of person I’m discussing with.
No, is not ‘arbitrarily’. I already said something that doesn’t mean it’s an arbitrary thing, this is just another way of twisting what I say to mud the discussion and show how little reasonable you want to be.
Ok, now to Aurora, the priestess.
She -felt- the new energies. However, as Chronicles III states (page 159), it’s the Blood elves who use their light energies, not the High elves. High elves are classical light users in this regard as they have never been harmonized with the essence of M’uru, nor before nor after.
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The only High elves that were “kicked” from the city were the elves from Quel’lithien lodge, all the other High elves either chose to join the alliance or remained neutral. Blood Elves have no reason to hate High elves, and many want nothing more than to see them returned home to them in Quel’thalas.
It sounds like to me that you don’t enjoy the fact that some High and Blood Elves still have racial pride and prefer not to fight each othr. Please tell me, in this gigantic faction war, how many High elves have you seen actively participating in it?
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You can’t even guess what I was referring to.
Catch this, one word: Purge.
The same amount as Jinyu, Hozen, Revantusk, Taunka, Wildhammer…
Make them playable, let’s see how much they appear.
Edit: Oh yeah, it’s worth mentioning that for an expansion where Dalaran nor the Kirin’tor nor any High elven group are part of the main narrative, they still introduced High elf characters, Aligned with the Alliance by the way 
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I find this argument funny.
Player: I want to play the Alliance loyal High Elf who detests the Horde
Blizz: Here, have blue-eyed Blood Elves
What Blizz expects: OMG THANK YOU High Elves at last woohooo let’s kill some Alliance!!!
What would really happen: Tons of High Elf threads. This would only fuel the argument even more.
Please understand this is not about eye color.
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There’s nothing that says it’s a mixture in the sense you’re referring to, they’re both forms of magic emanating from the Well, if they were the same magic there would be little to any point making the distinction in the first place. Stop hitting me with your headcanon stick.
And yet are residing with Blood Elves.
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