Maybe if he had said a hero of Silvermoon or something like that, but when saying that she had a right to see the sunwell he referred to her as a daughter of silvermoon. Nothing that suggests that it is in any way out of the ordinary or a special thing for a big hero.
Ah. Well, you canât really say this now that all of the Void Elves have been disallowed visits to the Sunwell, no?
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Iâm pretty sure that wasnât aimed at you. 
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I know, I was just trying to catch up with the discussion while Softsong writes her 20-paragraph response thatâs guaranteed to convince me Night Elf Mages donât actually exist.
/sarcasm
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Now to be fair, thatâs like making the decision not to invite the perpetually drunk and spoiling for a fight uncle over for the holiday dinner.
MOMMYYYYYYYâŠ!
Pot. Kettle. black.
We do; you immediately go off the deep end.
It is neither insulting nor snide to hold a different opinion.
As do you;.
As the rest of your bulletpoints are simple opinion, I shall end this hilarity by saying that the main difference between you and me is thisâŠ
I donât have to deny someone something they enjoy/want, especially in a game and especially when there is no PROOF that it will affect them at all.
Remember the great flying meltdown of WoD? Blizzard, and their supporters, INSISTED that the course they demanded was going to make the gamje better.
Remember how many MILLIONS left?
It no longer matters whoâse right or wrong! Players WANT Alliance High Elves; so letâs have them in game.
If you donât want to play them then DONâT.
Thereâs a long rant I made earlier about my conjecture on what will/wonât happen, if all I want comes true.
go read it; my archives are open so its easy to find.
Found it for you; post # 5457. There ya go
Truth.
It does create precedent, however, for specific people being disallowed physical access to the Sunwell â though, for the time being, I think we have to assume High Elves are allowed to visit since thatâs how things worked the last we heard (WotLK).
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Maybe because the last time they had a thalassian elf connected to the void, a void prince tried to crawl out from it and corrupt the sunwell?
Are you just looking for something to argue for the sake of arguing?
The only time we see anyone get disallowed access is if they are exiled. In fact, Lorthemar was going to ask the quelâdanil high elves to return to silvermoon, but he knew they would refuse.
Nah, thatâs me.
Letâs go!
boxing stance
Stop it, its unseemly.
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ooohhhâŠ
All right.
Stomps off muttering âŠnever any FUN atound hereâŠ
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Iâm not suggesting his reasoning for disallowing Void Elves physical access to the Sunwell is somehow flawed, rather Iâm merely pointing out that Lorâthemar is clearly willing to bar people from visitation regardless of the fact that theyâre Thalassian.
There may not be evidence that he does this with the High Elves, but precedent for such behavior certainly exists thanks to the Void Elves. Thus, to unequivocally say he believes all Thalassians ought to be allowed to visit the Sunwell is, objectively, not the case.
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In her dialogue referring to becoming a mage she says
I was once a priestess, but Iâve always been a scholar. The chance to learn from the Highborne seemed more valuable than practicing strict ignorance.
Whatâs more most of the apprentices here are youths who came of age during the third war. They need guidance, wisdomâŠ
I only wish those who used to call me friend understood.
With the return of the Highborne, the scholar in Vestia spurred her to learn from them; she saw the opportunity to be more valuable than practicing strict ignorance of the arcane. She joined the Highborne at the Tower of Estulan, teaching several of Estulanâs apprentices the inherent danger of using arcane magic frivolously. Vestia feels she can offer these youths the guidance and wisdom they need.
Some of Vestiaâs friends did not understand why she would join the Highborne, and ended their friendships with her. Vestia does not express any anger or bitterness over this, but rather wishes that they would understood her reasons for doing so.
~https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Warcraft_Encyclopedia/High_Elves
Last entry.
I honestly thought you were referring to the High elves as âhighborneâ since that term seems to be synonmously used in reference to them. My argument was essentially that the reasons the Night elves disliked the Highborne were the same reasons they disliked the High elves, and I thought you were using the actions of the Highborne as evidence of improving relations between them all, which didnât make any sense.
Which honestly this mix up is my bad completely, and I own up to that.
This is an argument for the sake of arguing. In WotLK when QuelâDalar rejects him and treachery is suspected, he does not do anything to the high elves that are present.
In Shadows of the sun with the exiled quelâdanil elves, he does not invite them back into silvermoon because he knew they would refuse. This is supported by the fact when he offers to send them supplies, the response is to return the hearts of the messengers who bring them.
Clearly, Lorâthemar is only willing to bar thalassian elves from the sunwell if they are a danger to the sunwell, which he states explicitly in the recruitement scenario. It cannot be argued he would bar them for any other reason, it is just a slippery slope argument with little basis.
Itâs amazing that you think you can insult people and then act shocked that you get insulted back. Donât dish out what you canât take.
Nah, not at all.
Immediately go off the deep end? By engaging them in conversation? And throwing back snark when itâs targeted at me first? Weird that you seem to only acknowledge my comments when im responding to someone, and not the person that originally tossed out the insults in the first place. Selective reading perhaps?
And yet only one getting hostile and upset because others donât agree with you.
How can there be proof when it isnât implemented yet? Itâs an issue that players and devs suspect will be a problem if itâs introduced, and if turns out that it is a problem after its introduction then it would already be too late. What good would that proof even be after-the-fact? This is a terribly irrational line of thought.
The âflyingâ meltdown faced entirely different problems that do not relate to the High elf argument. Stop trying to use completely unrelated arguments to make your point.
You are not a developer.
And you accuse me of headcanon?
Several other? Thatâs what YOU say, not me.
I say that it was only ghostcrawler saying ânot a fanâ and the rest is radio silence.
You donât know what happens in the offices.
Is not that I think so, is that it brings up a correlation that fits perfectly, is not my problem that you donât like to hear it.
Bad rhetoric is bad rhetoric.
High elves are not Horde.
Can you stop being vague when arguing? Your using of the âburden of proofâ is completely irrelevant in this case, we both have seen the many times that poster posted such list. If you were minimally bright you would have seen that the request for the post was made in a pure rhetorical way, since I know you have already seen them.
You strawmanned me again.
I didnât went fondly on it, but you totally putted away the mentions of being Alliance citizens and not having to do with Quelâthalas affairs or calls anymore. They are a different people.
That priestess of the light, felt the energies changed, and that it was familiar. It doesnât state she nor any High elf light user use that as a source of power.
Again, it was the Blood Knights (The Blood elves) who had such connection with the essence of Mâuru. Not the High elves. They remain as the exact same kind of light users as before the scourge invasion, as said, not using it from the Sunwell, only by the classical way of using them.
On the other hand, Blood elves are a mix of the two ways regarding the holy light.
Are you aware that most of the level 1-60 zones doesnât work like that right? That the game is full with lore that should have been developed on given the context of it, right?
Quote from you, AKA headcannon.
In this case sticking to the lore that was told way back in WotLK and was not updated when important things related to it happened in MoP and after that the context of BfA is sticking to lore that no longer exist in the same context it did back then.
Seem you have not changed any bit 
This does seem like a pointless argument to make. Lorâthemar isnât banishing Thalassian Elves from the well over frivolous opinions or factionalism, but rather for the safety and sanctity of the Sunwell. If he were to ever banish a high elf from visiting it would very likely be on an individual basis on whether or not they were trying to sabotage or threaten itâs safety. Which is completely reasonable.
This seems more like an argument over semantics.
It says her friends stopped being friends with her, it says nothing about being outcast.
This is the last entry.
A few high elves have chosen to join the Alliance in recent years, but the Alliance as a whole remains somewhat suspicious of high elves to this day. The high elvesâ secession from the Alliance during the Second War left bitter memories.
- It specifically states that a few High Elves joined in recent years. As itâs known that there were High Elves that never left the Alliance, following the Second War, this is almost certainly referring to new individuals coming out of Quelâthalas (as well as the surrounding areas, specifically QuelâDanil).
- Youâre asserting that something published in 2006 more accurately reflects the current game⊠than the current game. You recognize the absurdity, here, I hope?
It all makes sense, now.
All I was suggesting was that, in my opinion, Night Elves would be more likely to reconcile their differences with Highborne or Nightborne (Night Elves from Eldreâthalas or Suramar, respectively) than they would be to harmonize with High Elves, Blood Elves, or Void Elves.
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If youâre going to suggest established lore narratives have changed in some way, the burden of proof lies with you. The fact that Lorâthemar specifically mentions not denying any daughter or son of Quelâthalas their pilgrimage to the Sunwell suggests that it still acceptable. And the fact that Auric Sunchaserâs last appearance is at the Sunwell as the High elf emissary is also pretty compelling.
I canât imagine how youâre accusing him of headcanon when youâre the one suggesting a change in narrative unsupported by any source in lore. Thatâs not how it works honey.
wow you folks can ARGUE! for like hours and hours 