High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

We’re both pretty good at that.
As long as you make your arguments, especially with that sense of entitlement I pointed out earlier, I will continue to show you, and every other Anti, MY arguments and assertions.
The fact that you continue, by your narrowness of vision AND need to deny a part of this game to feel good about playing it simply reinforces me.
Alliance High Elves were into’d in WC2. With so much lore after that, and the growth of our awareness of this virtual world, why commit to such artificial restrictions?
NO ONE ever asked for any of these current ‘Allied Races’, whereas there HAVE been ‘clamoring’ (YOUR word) for playable High Elves.
This one fact turns most of your arguments on their head, save one.
This is a game.
So let us play it.
And if there is apart you don’t like then simple: don’t play it.

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This is such a bad argument.

“You don’t like your neighbour playing loud music at 3am? Well then don’t play loud music yourself, that’ll fix it.”

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That is a bad example, as my playing a certain race does NOT impact on your ability to do so.

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The only way you can rationalize this understanding is if you willfully ignore the 8-years of lore which contradicts it. Which is, definitionally, headcanon.

If we’re to believe that the dialogue from Sentinels from ~9 years ago supercedes all narrative input that followed, then is it safe to presume that you’re a supporter of the Farstriders being disbanded and becoming exclusive to the High Elves?

Because, as we all know, the Silvermoon Guards all talk about how the Farstriders are borderline disloyal. :man_shrugging:

The Highborne are Night Elves. I’m not sure what you’re on about, insofar as Thalassians are concerned. :man_shrugging:

I’ve yet to find a single reference to her being outcast. In the final quest involving her, she is described thusly:

“She’s not only a fine priestess for our community, but she is one of the most well-versed scholars you’ll find anywhere.”

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Delivering_the_Relic

You mean apart from making Night Elf Mages playable, introducing numerous Highborne to the Alliance (including in the most recent Warfront), and including two Highborne in the Battle for Azeroth cinematic?

I still think I’m being Punk’d, nobody is this dense without doing it on purpose. :man_shrugging:

You stated that many High Elves returned to the Alliance after the Third War, but you didn’t provide any quotation at all – you can’t say you’re literally quoting something, without actually providing a quotation. :man_shrugging:

I didn’t mention numbers once. I said the indication in-game is that most of the Alliance-aligned High Elves come from Theramore (via Dalaran). :man_shrugging:

Which is all well and good, but doesn’t at all relate to whether or not the Night Elves and Highborne would be likely to bury the hatchet? I feel like you’re continuously confusing the Highborne with High Elves.

It does when the following ~13 years indicate the opposite to be the case.

No, it wasn’t.

You probably need to scroll way, way back up and re-read the response you opened with – because you either forgot what you wrote, or you didn’t read the post you were responding to.

You brought up the High Elves, not me.

The post that I made, which you responded to with outrage, was that I felt it was more fitting for Night Elves to work alongside Highborne and Nightborne than it was for them to work alongside High Elves, Blood Elves, or Void Elves – you responded with, and I’ll quote you here, “What?”.

As I said, I’m about 99% sure you’re conflating Highborne and High Elves, which is a you problem. :man_shrugging:

Precisely, because the only person talking about Night Elves views of High Elves is you – I’m talking about Night Elves opinion on Highborne.

Highborne.
Highborne.
Highborne.

Not High Elves.
Not High Elves.
Not High Elves.

You’re the only one talking about Night Elves views on High Elves. It was you who brought it up, it is you who keeps bringing it up – it isn’t relevant to how Night Elves view the HIGHBORNE.

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The issue with loud music at 3am isn’t that it prevents me from playing loud music, lad.

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What is the issue then, ORC?
Hmm, no reply.
guess he fell asleep.

And deliberately calling me ‘lad’; so typical of Antis’; especially when he knows I’m female.

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And yet, no acknowledgement from you when the citation you demanded was delivered? Perhaps you missed them, so I’ll help:

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Your welcome

Races which receive minimal changes while remaining the same race remained on their faction. Your request is to get blood elves with minor alterations on the alliance which is unprecedented.

by that logic, every race should be available to every faction because there is lore that suggests it.
Game design is different from lore, and the former takes precedent over the latter, which is the case with Pandaren.

Why would you need several other people to agree with the lead dev? The fact they have NEVER been repeated and never will be is indicative of their lack of success.

Just because you THINK so does not make it so. Just like how people believe the earth is flat.

Not…really… you do realize you are asking for two bites out of the apple which the Horde originally owned. So…this would result in bad game design and alienating a large portion of your base to make an extreme minority happy. In terms of design, this is bad, and would warrant alliance giving up another race, which no one wants to do and it would still create a significant imbalance.

No one ever thinks about that though.

No.
Shifting the burden of proof is not proper. Find the evidence if you know it exists.

You argued where they live means it is a cultural difference. What of the blood elves who live in Dalaran? Who returned to it given their foundation in it? Again, it is a poor premise you provide, you were not strawmanned.

Per lore, ALL thalassian elves are connected to the sunwell and draw from it as stated in Shadow of the Sun by the Quel’Danil Lodge elves.

No we don’t.
if a situation has not changed, there is no reason to mention it, that would be bad story telling.

“Lor’themar continues to allow high elves pilgrimage to the sunwell in spite of the events in Zandalar.”

So…no.
You can’t say absence of evidence is evidence for your argument. That is headcanon on your part. Sowy :wink:

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Difference is you’re the one throwing them first, continuously. We might not agree on some points but that’s no reason to be rude and snarky. But if that’s truly how you want to behave yourself at least have the decency to not pretend that you’re on the high road.

Sense of entitlement? I state my knowledge of the lore, and welcome those to despute them with different perspectives. But the moment someone starts throwing in insults, or snide comments, I’ll happily throw them back.

And you fail to see the narrowness of your “vision” by actively dismissing the problems that other people have with your ideas by being dismissive and uncaring and yet still expect them to be polite and kind to you in return? You clearly have no place in this forum if you can’t have a conversation regarding differing opinions without becoming combative and rude.

Because their race, and theme grew with the story, as a people they evolved and so did their story. When you read a good book, no character remains the same to the very end, they grow with the story and develop. The High Elves we saw in WC became the Blood Elves, and the Blood elves joined the Horde. They carry on the High elven traditions, themes, and cultures.

Yes you, and the people the people who also want high elves have been clamoring for them, but as I also stated people were very happy with the Allied races. Since void elves are the most popular allied race in the game, clearly some people did want them.

No it doesn’t turn anything on it’s “head”
You want playable high elves regardless of the cost or possible repercussions it might have on the current playable races. Of course you wouldn’t care about that because it wouldn’t effect you. If anything that is selfish - if you really love high elves as much as you claim you can always come play the Blood Elves like the rest of us.

You got Panderan with zero alteration.

This getting interesting.

Words to live by.

Wrong. either they’re actually HIGH ELVES in which case they were originally Alliance OR they are now(renamed) Blood elves, in which case they were originally non-aligned with any one and had to go crawling to Sylvanas so Mommy Dearest could shake it at Thrall.

…because it wouldn’t happen.

Oh? you’ve said so, often enough.
‘Citation needed’.

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I wouldn’t jump off on that ‘citation needed’ thing again; you still haven’t bothered to acknowledge the last time you asked for one - and then got it.

If I had a gold piece for every time one of my responses has gone unanswered, much less treated with courtesy, I’d make Gallywix look like a pauper.
now hush a moment; Softsong and I are having some girl talk…

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You going to acknowledge the citation?

You should understand that the way you act in here doesn’t help the perception some people have of High Elf fans in the slightest. For some people the word fan simply means someone who enjoys something or is an aficionado. For other people though, it’s simply the short form of fanatic.

There are many pro-High Elf players in this and other threads who remain civil, and even engaging, while discussing things with those who have an opposing viewpoint. I have friendly conversations with many of them - and we find common enough ground where we are actually agreeing with, and liking, each others comments. You, on the other hand, are almost always one comment away from being just plain nasty no matter what demonstrable facts may be shown to you.

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No, no she won’t - unless she does now simply to be a contrarian. :wink:

One High Elf, a hero to her people nonetheless, Alleria has gone missing for a long time and not a single soul knew where she had been or if she still lives. Lorthemar did her a kindness to allow her to see the well, but it was only she… Not other High Elves at the time, nor did you see High Elves present. Alleria == all High Elves. So we can’t say that they do allow them still at this time as none could be seen in said scenario. At the time, Lorthemar also wished she would have been with the Horde and their current ways, but she chose a different path.

What is the citation in reference to? I was preoccupied with trying not to die laughing at Softsong’s assertion that Highborne aren’t tolerated by the Night Elves to follow anything else in the thread. :laughing:

Pandaren became available to both factions at the same time. Very different context.

Blood elves came out in 2012, and high elves came out when?

Blatant strawman. Go back and read the entirety of the post.
Skal.

Citation needed refers to a claim which requires evidence.
The claim made by the individual was that there is a lack of evidence, and therefore, is proof of her assertion. This is an illogical argument.
Stop using words because someone used them against you. Know the meaning.

acknowledge this please.

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Really?
Read what Lor’themar states, he is extremely candid about it, and has remained so on the matter since WotLK. Anything else is just headcanon at this point on your part and anyone else who wishes to claim high elves can’t visit the sunwell.

Particularly when he acknowledges that regardless of what she has become she is still a daughter of quel’thalas despite being alliance based.
So… yeah…

Quit the headcanon

Lor’themar will not refuse any thalassian elf their birthright which is the sunwell.