High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Oshus-darkspear]

these arent high elves these are Wood Elves or Forest Elves. Essentially, light skinned night elves.

[Lavinnelly-dathremar (Lavinnelly)]

So the horde can have two unique flavors of elves but the alliance can’t? Got it.

but we do have two unique flavours of elves?

[Broflake-illidan]

“Majority” “32%”

I hate having to make things overly simple for people to understand. It is an insult to your intelligence when I have to do so. If you insist though.

If blood elves were not well received by the Horde, they wouldn’t make up the largest part of their faction.
You see, when people don’t like something, they don’t play it.
So…when 32% of a faction makes a blood elf, that means the mass majority approves of them.

Dunno, ask Blizzard. All we’ve been told is High Elves didn’t feed. They didn’t even learn mana tap.

which is…why…they know how to?
Pardon but there is a high elf that says he didn’t like it because it made him feel like a vampire.
So apparently, they learned about it somehow and did it sustain their mages, because elven mages had no other option for restoring their power.

Dunno, but I’ve yet to see anything about some elf balance from devs.

yes, because the developer’s are going to use hardline language that would result in lost subs. Look at pathfinder.

Could get Ogres or Forest Trolls for WCII theme, San’Layn or Undead Night Elves for Elf theme, or Fel Gnomes to “balance out” Void Elves.

No no, they would have to be an alliance themed race. It went elf for elf last time. You know, iconic race for iconic race?
So I am thinking…Worgen. Yeah. They would fit the horde theme best.

Just remove the human aspect.

It won’t happen though, because the alliance has void elves. Making high elves a playable race would be like telling blizzard their void elf idea was wrong. They’re not going to do such a thing. They never have.

[Broflake-illidan]

So the horde can have two unique flavors of elves but the alliance can’t? Got it.

I was going to ask if you forgot night elves existed so I could be snarky, but I assume you forgot about your other elven race. You know…void elves.
Or are you trying to suggest void elves and night elves are similar?
if so, yikes.

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

no. as the vast majority of the living high elf population is horde, horde has claim

1. Blood Elves have their own themes they’ve established rather you like them for more than being a “Pretty Elf” or not.

2. The High Elves have developed their own themes completely separate from the Blood Elves.

3. They are separate groups and populations and thus do not share the same story/themes.

it is also worth remembering the impact playable alliance high elves would now have on void elves. remember, void elves were created to give the alliance a distinct thalassian elf variant in lieu of actual high elves

The Devs have gone on record to saying the Void Elves are a new thing that is not part of the previously established story.

What do High Elves have to do with the Void?

playable alliance high elves would damage void elves by undermining their role as the thalassian elves of the alliance, and they would be marginalised by players who would prefer high elf aesthetics over void elf looks

Again… What do High Elves have to do with the Void?

The Void Elf role is being masters of Void Magic. Not being an Elf.

Is being a “Pretty Elf” a major theme to you?

it would also land us in the weird situation where the alliance has access to two kind of thalassians,

Having 2 kinds when both are firmly and an Alliance race is only an imaginary problem.

Horde have 3 different Thalasian Derivatives that can become and Allied Race. San’layn, Dark Rangers/Undead Elves, and Felblood Elves.

one of which is identical to a core horde race,

High Elves are not identical to Blood Elves.

They have different Eye/Skin/Hair Colors/themes/Factions/Magic Use/Locations/Story/Ideals.

Again, it is increasingly showing the only theme you care about is “Pretty Elf” and Night Elves and Void Elves are already better in that regard…

while the Horde only has one despite having the majority of the population by far.

There are different subgroups and factions that broke off from each other.

Having a moderately bigger one doesn’t erase them.

would the horde need yet another thalassian model to balance those scales?

There are 3 people want that I listed above so that’s actually a pluss. You can use them as an excuse to add the ones the Horde Wants/Needs.

four elf races is already too much, six would be ridiculous

That’s subjective.

And the highest concentration of Elves was in BC when 1/5 of all races where Elves. Adding 2 more would only make it even to that time. But there are going to be more non Elf races added first so it’s still not a problem.

gotta face the facts

I do.

Your stuff is mostly made up and not real.

The “facts” are something you tend to ignore. Like being a “Pretty Elf” is not a major theme, there are more Thalassian Groups then Blood Elves, the Blood Elves aren’t the classical Elf, High Elf story is separated, having a bigger populations doesn’t mean they control all the story, etc.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Maybe it’s unique to you, but I’d rather have had a light/sun themed elf alliance side.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

@Broflake-illidan

Come back to the present.

Here’s a history lesson:

• 1995: High elves introduced as counterpart to trolls
• 1996: Alleria introduced as an Alliance hero
• 2001: Day of the Dragon: Vereesa Windrunner as an Alliance hero.
• 2002: High elves as part of the Alliance. Quel’thalas destroyed, high elves go with Jaina to Kalimdor.
• 2003: Some high elves become blood elves. Blood elf units are all Alliance units. High elves still shown in Tirisfal and Kalimdor.
• 2003: Warcraft RPG: Surviving high elves as an Alliance race.
• 2005: WoW: All high elf lodges friendly to Alliance and enemies of the Horde. The only blood elf settlement is hostile to both factions.
• 2007: TBC: Horde gets blood elves because it needed a pretty race. High elves still shown in the Alliance in Terokkar. Also, Kirin Tor high elves.
• 2008: WotLK: Vereesa Windrunner appears with the Silver Covenant Alliance-aligned.
• 2010: Cataclysm. Silver Covenant representing the Alliance outside Dalaran.
• 2012: MoP. Vereesa and Silver Covenant siding with the Alliance in the Purge of Dalaran. Form the main force of the Kirin Tor Offensive in Isle of Thunder. Vereesa as an Alliance hero in Siege of Orgrimmar.
• 2016: Legion. Vereesa and Silver Covenant as part of Hunter campaign. They participate in the Alliance side in the Suramar Campaign. Vereesa seeks Alleria in Argus. Vereesa is one of the Alliance commanders in Stormwind when you receive the PvP Artifact.
• 2018: BfA. Still new Alliance high elves. A high elf is the only NPC race in all the Island Expedition teams in both factions.

They exist. It’s canon. That’s reason enough for us to want to play as them.

Elsharin

Caledra Dawnbreeze

High Elf Sorceress

Magus Solgaze

First Mate Wavesinger

Vereesa Windrunner

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

If blood elves were not well received by the Horde, they wouldn’t make up the largest part of their faction.
You see, when people don’t like something, they don’t play it.

Horde players didn’t start playing Blood Elves

People started playing Horde because they could finally be a skinny good-looking human while doing so

And to this day a nice chunk of the faction still thinks upper class twits have no place among their noble savages

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

Even though they look the same, have the same history, have the same lore.

They clearly don’t lol

Alliance have rights to them because they were allied with them first.

More like they are established firmly as an Alliance thing independent from what the Horde has.

You just said high elves are an alliance theme, but the mass majority of high elves are now blood elves, who are horde based.

Completely seperate groups.

The Blood Elves developed their own story and themes separate from the High Elves and vice versa.

For someone who’s supposedly defending Blood Elves you sure don’t care about their history or what makes them unique.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

2018: BfA. Still new Alliance high elves. A high elf is the only NPC race in all the Island Expedition teams in both factions.

The team was also originally called “Auric’s Angels” in Beta

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

Pardon but there is a high elf that says he didn’t like it because it made him feel like a vampire.
So apparently, they learned about it somehow and did it sustain their mages, because elven mages had no other option for restoring their power.

Quel’Lithien is gone, its High Elves were never part of the Alliance, and the other High Elves weren’t in Silvermoon so they couldn’t have learned from Rommath.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

Face it: blood elves were given to the Horde because it needed a pretty face, not because of lore or affinity. Even Metzen said they didn’t fit.

Go to your glorious Draenor garrison and try to make your blood elf feel at home.

It took 11 years for Blizzard to add another race to the Horde that felt like a good pair for blood elves, and guess what? It’s an alternate version of an Alliance race.

But you can keep your blood elves. We don’t want them.

Let’s make it clear, again:

Adding high elves to the Alliance removes nothing from the Horde.

The Horde will still have blood elves.
The Horde will still have Silvermoon.
The Horde will still have the blood elf heritage armor.
The Horde will still have all the blood elf NPCs and stories.
The Horde will still have those ugly hawkstriders as a racial mount.
The Horde will still be getting blood elf updates and new options. Maybe even their blue eye option, since by then no one would care about it.
The Horde will still have the only thalassian elves that can be DK or DH.
The Horde will still have the best guilds for both PvP and PvE.

Alliance gains something it wants. Horde will probably get something nice for balance reasons.

Horde. Loses. Nothing.

Zero. Null. Nil. Nada.

We are not asking to take away anything from the Horde. We are asking for the remnants of a race that has been Alliance since the beginning and never left it.

How Blizzard does it is not our problem. We will keep asking until a real compromise is presented.

[Broflake-illidan]

The High Elves have developed their own themes completely separate from the Blood Elves.

Yeah, they’re blue, and are the republicans of the thalassian race. By which I mean conservative. That doesn’t mean they need to be a playable race when their playable version is on the horde.

They are separate groups and populations and thus do not share the same story/themes.

Even though the entire generation saw the second war, third war, and participated in both.
Even though their story in WoW has constantly been intertwined.
They don’t share history or storyline? That seems disingenuous

The Devs have gone on record to saying the Void Elves are a new thing that is not part of the previously established story.

What do High Elves have to do with the Void?

It would make the void elves redundant in their purpose and existence?

Is being a “Pretty Elf” a major theme to you?

Is reading the entire post alien to you? Or do you just respond to the parts you like to purposefully misinterpret what someone states?

Horde have 3 different Thalasian Derivatives that can become and Allied Race. San’layn, Dark Rangers/Undead Elves, and Felblood Elves.

That would break the status quo of 1 alliance race for 1 horde race, and will probably not be done again due to the negative feedback that stemmed from it.
Would you be willing to give up Worgens? I would get a human and a wolf in one basket.

High Elves are not identical to Blood Elves.

They are?

They have different Eye/Skin/Hair Colors

So are humans with different hair colors and eye and skin colors different species of human?

themes

They wear the alliance blue color. I guess that’s different.

Factions

well yeah they’re meant to oppose blood elves

Magic Use

False.

Locations

They all came from silvermoon

Story

Same history too

Ideals.

only one which is “we don’t like the other elves for things they did to survive.”

Again, it is increasingly showing the only theme you care about is “Pretty Elf” and Night Elves and Void Elves are already better in that regard…

I think I covered this earlier too. How you’re ignoring large chunks of her response.

There are different subgroups and factions that broke off from each other.

Having a moderately bigger one doesn’t erase them.

They have ninetimes the number? Actually a little more since the encyclopedia said some of them converted to blood elves afterwards.
That is a MASSIVE majority.

That’s subjective.

This is true actually.

Your stuff is mostly made up and not real.

Just like your strawmen.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

The team was also originally called “Auric’s Angels” in Beta

Actually, it was Jaina’s Angels. It’s currently Auric’s Angels.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

blood elves were given to the Horde because it needed a pretty face, not because of lore or affinity.

And they wrote the lore around, like how they did with the Draenai. Isnt it interesting how both the TBC races were created to justify their factions?

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

Actually, it was Jaina’s Angels. It’s currently Auric’s Angels.

Welp there shows how much I pay attention to IEs. Still should have been all high elves though, gotta go against that blood elf team.

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

Draenei came with some of the most horridly glaring retcons the franchise has ever seen. And the fan backlash was glorious…

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

Draenei came with some of the most horridly glaring retcons the franchise has ever seen.

At the Blood Elf one could be easily brushed past. Literally the draenai lore from TFT got retconned

[Alamara-goldrinn (Alamara)]

The entire Eredar race was retconned, as well as Sargeras’ corruption.

Plus, Draenei came with space ships, they were not a well-received addition.

Blizzard even stated later that they learned from their mistake and would take more time and effort to properly seed new races from then on…

Until void elves.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

Until void elves.

Void elves could have been so much better. I disagree with Lydon and co when I say the ren’dorei are literally what I would consider the High Elves (very little factors of differentiation, no true story, one prime figure, no real different culture, etc.)

It literally reads as “well. we couldnt do high elves…so here you go.”