High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Broflake-illidan]

If giving the Horde Lordaeron, Paladins, skinny pointy-eared humans, and actual honest-to-god Night Elves didn’t blur the factions lines, allowing Alliance players to play the race that has been a part of it since before World of Warcraft won’t.

They went through a lot of work to make nightborne as visually different from night elves as possible. To the point or orchestrating an entire storyline about how different they were.
Void elves didn’t get nearly as much work as they should have, though the intent was to give a very different version of a similar race.

You can’t apply the logic though, because that was a one for one trade, and given the issues it has brought up within the community, I am unsure if Blizzard is willing to do it. Particularly when you have a minority group saying “Void elves werent good enough, we want high elves too!”.

Blood Elves are the ones who changed.

in what meaningful capacity are they different from high elves?
Vampirism? Many blood elves regretted doing such because they respected nature. It is in the very starter zone.

What? They where corrupted by Fel, it’s part of their loree.

Corruption=/= contamination. Maghar orcs are the same as regular orcs. Again though, moot point because of the sunwell.

You can see it ingame.

Maybe if you’re looking at old zones that haven’t been updated.
Or warlocks.

[quote=“Drede-cairne, post:3506, topic:182516”]
Blizzard said so.[/quote]
Cite it please.

Players can use the option but in lore only Paladins and Priest get them.

Cite it again please, there is nothing to suggest it given that the sunwell is arcane/holy and ALL thalassian elves are subject to it.

Not when it shows your point is meaningless.

It’s a red herring because it has no relevance to the discussion, nor does it refute anything.

You clearly didn’t. Or weren’t paying attention.

UH HUH. NU UH.

Why not?

not a core race.
Already have a model variant.
The version you want is playable on horde side therefore giving meaning to decisions.

Because they are different from what we have playable on either faction and have their own story and characters to get involved in.

They are playable on horde.
Their story revolve around blood elf storyline.
Their characters give out quests in alliance.

It also changed their skin color.

nothing in lore states this fact outside felblood elves who are completely different.

[Adrand-draenor]

Would someone mind telling me what the differences in the Nelf and Nightborne models are? Like if there were covered head to toe face behind mask etc. How can you tell them apart besides the ears.

[Bloodfall-blackwater-raiders (Bloodfall)]

The males are wider and that’s about it.

[Avarie-farstriders]

Particularly when you have a minority group saying “Void elves werent good enough, we want high elves too!”.

Except that people have been asking for high elves all along, and no one requested void elves. It’s not as if we asked for void elves and then complained. We asked for high elves and were given void elves.

[Adrand-draenor]

Well that’s pretty simple then. To change the Helf some. Make them a little wider, slimmer, taller, or shorter. Alter the ears. Boom they are now visually different enough from Belfs to be there own race.
As for lore. That can be easily hand waved as to why they changed but it not breaking.

[Lavinnelly-dathremar (Lavinnelly)]

As for lore that can be easily hand waved as to why they changed

maybe they could be completely changed by a powerful source of magic that cuts them off from the sunwell

[Adrand-draenor]

Elves seem to mutate pretty easy. Lots of ways to explain it.

[Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord]

Those don’t count for what we are asking at all

the devs have already given you an answer, it doesnt matter

the high elf story is they renamed themselves, left the alliance after being betrayed and joined the horde. it is not the story of a few traitors hanging around dalaran. claiming the high elves are a major part of the alliance identity in the modern era is just head canon

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

They went through a lot of work to make nightborne as visually different from night elves as possible.

No they didn’t. They did that for Kul Tirans, who are the exact same thing as Stormwind Humans but look completely different (and probably did it just because they wanna do Ogres/Mok’nathal down the line and don’t want Alliance complaining about only the Horde getting a brand-new AR model). Nightborne are just skinnier Night Elves with flipped ears.

To the point or orchestrating an entire storyline about how different they were.

Storyline says they’re just Highborne with the Thalassian mana addiction.

though the intent was to give a very different version of a similar race.

The intent was probably to give the Alliance something that would be played without putting any effort into it, and without possibly angering Blood Elf players because literally the Horde depends on this single race. Bad game design.

[Archmage-azralon (Archmage)]

Seems like you guys have been handling with a lot of toxicity recently. I’m sorry for being absent but I’m a little busy these days.

Stay strong guys!

I’m glad that we received some Pro-HE fresh blood! Be welcome guys!

The more High Elf fans here the better!

[Muir-kelthuzad]

the devs have already given you an answer

Yeah the most recent answer about Alliance High Elves was “it’s possible, don’t give up hope, be respectful about it [on forums]”

Here’s me being respectful about it:

Dear Blizzard,

I’d like to play those Alliance High Elves we always see fighting for the Alliance such as the Silver Covenant, the Highvale, and Allerian Stronghold Elves.

We recently got Alleria back, but Vereesa’s been here all along carrying and representing that OG Alliance faction of Humans, High Elves, and Dwarves.

Only the High Elves are missing from the Alliance, please add them.

Sincerely,

Muir - Level 120 Demonhunter, Tichondrius-US

[Broflake-illidan]

Your entire response is just dismissive. Were they designed to be different? Yes.
Did the lore support the differences? Yes.
Were they visually appealing? Survey says no, but the fact of the matter is they are different.

You can try and reduce it as much as you can tomake it seem irrelevant but that is just trying to diminish it because you cannot refute it.

You cant have high elves without making void elves redundant, without making bluzzard seem wrong in their design choice. Which they certainly wont do, especially to such strong opposition also as a factor. It isnt worth the risk.

I agree it is lame the horde relies heavily on them for population, but many people dont like being broken back orcs.

[Broflake-illidan]

Dude, its legalise speak.
A flat no makes people leave.
If you keep people from noticing the stick holding the carrot away then you can keep cashing in.

Look how hard they backtracked on removing flying. One of the iconic things wow is known for they wanted to remove.

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

You cant have high elves without making void elves redundant

Literally the only thing they share is being a Thalassian elf. If that’s the only thing Void Elves are worth for, that’s their problem.

without making bluzzard seem wrong in their design choice

They were

Which they certainly wont do

Never using Pandaren ever again since Pandaria doesn’t speak volumes about how good of an idea they were.

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

in what meaningful capacity are they different from high elves?

They completely rebuilt their scioty and became a mix of survivalist and elitist and totalitarian.

High Elves took the exact opposite path.

They Fel Corruption and Mana Sucking are just icing on the cake.

Corruption=/= contamination.

Cemenantics. “Tainted” would probably be a better word but the forums are immature.

Maybe if you’re looking at old zones that haven’t been updated.

Modern Zones.

 https://imgur.com/a/pvki3TQ 

Cite it please.

It’s a red herring because it has no relevance to the discussion, nor does it refute anything.

Neither did your argument. That was the point.

The version you want is playable on horde side therefore giving meaning to decisions.

No it’s not. It’s an Unplayable NPC race on the Alliance.

They are playable on horde.

That’s Blood Elves.

Their story revolve around blood elf storyline.

Only when they are in confrontation.

Their characters give out quests in alliance.

That’s because they’re Alliance but not playable.

nothing in lore states this fact outside felblood elves who are completely different.

Blood Elves have more red and High Elves have more blue.

It is observable in game.

Felblood are an extreme case of the same thing like Fel Orcs.

the devs have already given you an answer, it doesnt matter

The “answer” amount to not now but it’s posible latter.

the high elf story is they renamed themselves, left the alliance after being betrayed and joined the horde.

That’s the Blood Elf and Void Elf story.

it is not the story of a few traitors hanging around dalaran.

Yes it is. Just because you don’t like that they exist doesn’t meant they don’t count.

High Elves Exist.

They are different from Blood Elves.

They are part of the Alliance.

There are enough of them to make a player Race.

We want to play them.

Indisputable facts.

claiming the high elves are a major part of the alliance identity in the modern era is just head canon

You can look at the game and see this is the case.

They have more in game and out of game story then some player races.

[Lavinya-moon-guard]

Also, I’d love to hear about how Highmountain and Lightforged totally aren’t redundant despite bringing absolutely nothing new compared to their “parent” races, either in terms of visuals or classes.

[Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord]

They are different from Blood Elves.

how are they different currently

[Drede-cairne (Drede)]

how are they different currently

They have different Eye/Skin/Hair Colors.

They have completely different ideals.

They are more conservative and controlled about their use of magic.

They have been with the Alliance (or its allies) since its formation.

They have a different relation to the Sunwell and the Light.

They live in completely different locations.

They are not isolationist and value their allies.

And all this is before they’ve been made playable.

If you respect what makes the Blood Elves story and what makes them unique then you have to respect the one that went in contrast to them. Unless all you care about is being a “Pretty Elf.”

[Fyrebusche-wyrmrest-accord]

They have a different relation to the Sunwell and the Light.

whats the different relationship

[Broflake-illidan]

Your citation has the dev luterally saying “if you want to say your elf was purified by the light good on you.” As reason for all blood elves having it.

So…yeah…ill respond tk the rest later. Sleep time.

Appearance wise they are the same. There are blue eyed blood elves and briefly after the sjnwell explodes you see their eye colors beneath glow iirc.

Blood elves value their allies as well. They are still with the horde.
Why didnt you name their different ideals?

How are they more conservative? They sought to use the power of lightning on the isle of thunder iirc so clesrly, not as conservative.

They have the same relationship with the sunwell and do pilgrimage.
Living in different locations applies to other blood elf organizations too.

So…you get…maybe not being isilationist?
Maybe?