I said that Classic Dungeons ARE FUN. There are clearly people who agree with me. Fun is clearly subjective but that doesn’t mean that Classic dungeons are objectively Unfun.
I’m suggesting that Classic Dungeon style content be added to the roster of current WoW activities. I’m not asking that anything be taken away or that everyone musts now enjoy this content. Just like how some players can enjoy Battlegrounds, but not Questing, or Raiding but not Arena+, some players would enjoy the Classic Dungeon experiences despite others enjoying the Mythic+ experience.
There’s nothing about what I said that suggests that we all couldn’t be happy continuing to do the content that we enjoy while not engaging with the content we don’t.
I’m not in denial about jack, I simply don’t care about classic, nor anything to do with classic, and I’m tired of classic being dragged into this forums, when classic has their own forums.
But he isn’t discussing Classic and if you truly didn’t care you would just not post on this thread. 1174 posts, you are like a lot of the people that live on these forums you can’t just help yourself but to spam 1 sentence snarky responses.
And yet you started your entire reasoning for why the current instances should changed based upon Classic dungeons. I mean it is the god damn title for crying out loud.
That is why they are going to have Classic servers. I agree that dungeons in general have become far too easy but so has pretty much EVERY aspect of the game. Classic like dungeons wouldn’t work because the people who would want that setting will just play Classic to begin with.
No. What you are saying is observably false. I said nothing of the sort nor did I even insinuate or imply it.
You are projecting your own feelings on the matter onto the conversation.
Go back and read what I wrote. Come back to the discussion after you fully understand the words as they were written.
There’s absolutely no reason why they wouldn’t work in modern wow and no, I’m not interested in playing Classic just for the dungeon experience. I made it very clear in my OP what I believe. Go back and read the OP.
You, like the developers of this game don’t know that though. I think so many people just live in their little WoW bubbles these days.
You are basing this off the current player base, which is quite small at this point. What about all those MMO gamers they chased away over the years?
Everyone always assumes that old design is bad and that all the additions to game were a slam dunk. Developers make mistakes all the time and WoW is a garbage game as far as MMOs go.
It has strayed so far from it’s roots into a basically a shallow D3 clone that it really has alienated a lot of it’s core audience.
I’m all for trying to bring back that old design because I think it would bring back MMO gamers back to the game.
Just want to add that I dont blame tank alts for the speedrun zerg fests but when i tank on my alts there’s usually some ranged dps with ants in there pants pulling packs “for” me before I’m ready. I just always think to myself that there might be new players who’ve never been thru these places before. And being methodical is just a good habit to have anyway. 2c
The thing is, back in classic, the power jump between new items obtained in 1.+ patches weren’t that big. A geared 60 player could still be in danger if careless. I suppose Naxx gear made people a bit stronger, but still not like the difference between the first and last raid tiers of a modern xpac.
That said, overgearing a dungeon wasn’t exactly a common thing back there, that’s why the runs had to be done with much more thought, cc, planned pulls, etc. Nowadays, a bunch of fresh heroic geared players can’t exactly breeze through a Mythic 0 (although they won’t struggle like a group in similar situation in Vanilla) - nowadays also you can easily find acceptable gear for M+ 0-6 without even needing a proper dungeon run… this wasn’t a thing back in vanilla either.
The complicated mechanics were logistics: proper gear to survive, a failed interrupt could result in a wipe, healer having to plan every single heal, people having to hold dps because of threat. None of these are a thing nowadays.
So, in my opinion, Blizz can make content to work like that, but it’s intrinsically tied to how the classes are designed and the power levels jumps between tiers of items. Also the ease to obtain powerful items doing single player content interferes a lot with this.
No one is trying to recruit anyone. They are just shedding light on how bad the current game is. That old design was fun for a lot of players. People like you just want to put your fingers in your ears and stomp your feet on the ground and just scream that it was bad and no one is going to like it.
We are tired of the same negative regurgitated responses.
No, I’m quite aware there are plenty of nostaligic people that have more time on their hands than most people in existance.
They will probably enjoy classic, because for some reason, they seem to think having to spend 6 hours to attempt to make minor progression is somehow better than spending an hour to make progress a day.
Some people will enjoy the monotonous, mindless grind.
However, I’m absolutely tired of doomsayers saying Classic is gonna be the end of Retail WoW, and going on about how taking 2 hours to clear a dungeon is apparently something to look forward to in classic.
I respect my own personal time way to much to remotely give a toss about classic, and I’m simply tired of people posting classic stuff in general discussion, when they -literally- made a forum section dedicated to classic.
Take your classic discussions to the classic forums, you come across as door to door evangelicals by posting all these “Oh Classic is so wonderful” garbage on the forums when most of the people interested in classic will be in the classic forums.
Progression in the game currently is awful. Grinding and time gating is at it’s all time worst. Allied races says hello. M+ grinding says hello. Pathfinder says hello. Just to name a few examples. Vanilla had slow progression but it wasn’t time gated like today. Way better sandbox then imo.
Classic might very well over take retail, especially if they continue to add content or move on to TBC and Wrath. The current game just doesn’t attract MMO gamers anymore. It is more geared to the looter shooter crowed that enjoys short play sessions and gets showered in loot for that.
Yet here you are now on your like 4th or 5th post wasting time arguing over whether or not this discussion belongs here. You retail fan boys are scared, that is why you are on this crusade to just down this discussion. If you truly didn’t care you wouldn’t be posting in this thread. You would report it and move on.
And for the last GD time, the OP wasn’t discussing Classic. He used it as a reference point for something he would like to see in retail.
Even without skittish, threat is an issue on big pulls. Try tanking?
I’m not sure how longer equals harder but ok.
Again, stop playing on Easy. Going into Mythic the first week to see the dungeon is exactly this feeling. Mythic is of course the default difficulty, everything below it is dumbed down for the casuals. Mythic is literally what you want, every dungeon in Classic can be out-geared, the same is true of Mythic, which is why we have M+, you can keep pushing your key up until you have to carefully plan out every single pull including CC, kill order and positioning.
Just because you don’t want to play on the higher difficulties where CC and everything mention is insanely important doesn’t meant that it doesn’t exist. Mythic+ is quite literally “Classic” mode as in you can increase the difficulty to be a challenge for any gear level.
But, let me just tell you that running M0 at 340 right now is just as hard as Classic, harder depending on the dungeons your comparing.
I will say the old dungeons were much bigger and sprawling which gave them a sense of scale beyone a normal dungeon. I just think that huge sprawling feeling should be saved for raids and dungeons should fit the smaller group niche.
No, I’m just tired of classic, I don’t know how many times I have to say that.
You can try to say I’m “Scared” of classic all you want, I’m not remotely “Afraid” of a 15 year old tired game that looks and plays like garbage, that requires the time sink of a full time job to be able to play properly.
I’m just simply tired of seeing classic posts. Muting posts doesn’t stop them from popping up on the front page. and clogging up all the other discussions.
Classic WoW has it’s own discussion forum for a reason. Because that’s where classic wow discussion goes.
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