Did I miss this part of Dragonflight? Because the last I knew, the titans still empowered the Aspects, and the Primal Incarnates weren’t empowered by anyone. They just naturally were what they are.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just asking where the dragons were retconned to be empowered by Azeroth.
Unless you’re talking about the end of Dragonflight, because we’re clearly talking more about history than present day. Historically, the dragons only really helped mortals when the dragons needed help cleaning their messes up. Nowadays, we don’t know how things are gonna go in the future.
See, Kagehiro gets it. Dragons are simply the worst when it comes to sharing information in a relevant period of time!!
Maybe there is a case to blaming the dragons in that regard. Especially since Deathwing kept the whispers to himself even when the other dragons enquired after his well-being.
On that note, did Helya ever interact with the dragons? She might’ve known about the Thorignir given her time with Odyn. Especially since she was the one who did the actual splitting the Halls of Valor from Ulduar on Odyn’s orders after he got salty about the dragons being empowered by the other Keepers.
Sidenote; Actually, only Aggramar was stabbified. The other Titans were defeated when Sargeras summoned a Titan-level fel storm, since Fel is like kryptonite to Arcane.
The only thing I can recall is Helya effectively just… Being there when Odyn had a fit over dragons. I don’t think there’s any direct reference to her interacting with dragons, though I’d assume she would have some level of interaction?
Guh!! I knew I should have said “murderified”. You are correct, I should have worded that better.
The Titans strike me as such hardline cosmic bureaucrats that if they didn’t like the way their keepers were behaving, they’d just pop their heads open and reprogram them like a computer.
Now, the ethics of that are very, very questionable but for someone like Loken or Helya it can seem reasonable, if only as a necessary evil.
Odyn is a tyrant who even defied direct orders from the Titans. Helya became evil after alot of abuse. That is why every time he shows up Blizzard takes the chance to put him in his place.
After Amidrisaal blooms and the dragons get their aspect powers back, I think it was Kalec who comments that the power feels different, that it clearly wasn’t titan empowerment. That Azeroth herself reached out and empowered all them.
Like what Azeroth did with the Thraegar in the past
Oh no, I did understand that and even included it in my post.
I know that now the dragons are empowered by Azeroth, but that isn’t too relevant when discussing how previously (with the exception of night elves), most of the times the dragons help out the mortals, it’s because mortals are cleaning up dragon messes. This is the post Slappghar was responding to:
So I dunno why their current Azerothian empowerment really affects this, given that Slapp is talking about the ending of Dragonflight, where we haven’t dealt with dragons since.
That’s why I had to ask if there was some retcon regarding their original empowerment, because otherwise Slapp’s not making sense.
odyn was right and he rezzed my toon i support him
also he has korkrons and eitrigg so i like to think he has all the garrosh supporters rezzed
helya salty loser of the war lol
It’s actually three: Deathwing (obviously), Malygos (his Nexus War was causing damage to the world soul, per Chronicles vol III) and Nozdormu/Murozond (timeways shenanigans, Infinite flight, etc).
As much as I dislike Odyn, it’s hard to say he was wrong about the dragon-empowerment. This isn’t even considering how the Nightmare-corrupted Greens caused their own mess of problems on Azeroth (I’ll give Ysera a pass personally, since she uhh… Didn’t get much of a chance to cause any problems).
People do tend to like to ignore the times that the dragons have been helpful and aided us when they didn’t have to.
I don’t blame the Aspects for three of them becoming a problem. I blame the titans themselves for not properly protecting the very beings they empowered.
At the end of the day, the dragon problem can and should be laid directly at the very feet of the people who empowered them to begin with
Actually, only Aggramar was stabbified. The other Titans were defeated when Sargeras summoned a Titan-level fel storm, since Fel is like kryptonite to Arcane.