HC server is Pay to Win. How is that Hardcore?

Dungeon lockouts would like a word with you sir, as well as the option to not delete.

Continuing your example, same item.

Say Tigers eye is set at 10s on this special AH but on normal realms it is higher, say 20s. I now, as a botter, focus on Tigers eye and other items being sold cheaper than usual market on a normal realm. Spend my time buying up those items for cheap, then die, take the xfer, and make a profit flooding the markets of other servers with my cheap stock of Tigers Eye’s and whatever other material was priced cheaply.

Regardless, WoW is not a real economy. Gold is backed by nothing and there is no gold scarcity to determine it’s value, even if RMT/Bots didn’t exist. There is no max gold the world can drop, as long as people kill and loot mobs gold is essentially infinite.

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Yeah I wasnt gonna give him as much effort as you did here. Hes still showing how dependent he is on others in his reply.

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Exactly why do you have to pay more than the monthly fee? Never once in WOW was there any reason I would need to buy gold, none especially not in WOTLK. In fact in right now you can easily gear thru Heroic+ dungeons and probably make about 200-400 gold a day just doing daily quests in about an hour. All you need to do is be moderately competent. The funny thing is with tokens in, you could do dailies for about 10 days, and actually play free now and spend no money on WOW. (yes I know you probably think they are terrible)

Consumables are dirt cheap in WOTLK, and can easily be farmed by most anyone in probably about a half hour, but if you don’t have an alchemist, just do a few dailies, you can easily pay for anything you need. I can’t say that I ever seen any bots running around, though I know they are there, but really the only problematic time to gather is prime time, but that’s not bots.

So what exactly are you spending money on?

If its because you don’t do anything but GDKP raids, then honestly, you either need to up your game and find a guild doing progression content where they use something like loot council, or gear primarily out of heroic+ dungeons which is very feasible until your at a place where you can be a productive member of a raid team and not simply be a carry. The fact that people don’t want to run older raids, and the reason most older raids are GDKP has little to do with RMT, and more due to that they provide some motivation for geared players to play raids they are bored of.

Also the reason people quit playing wow, isn’t because they see bots running around, but because they are bored, and they have done all the content multiple times. Its the way servers always work, initially there is a huge rush, people flood the servers, and the towns are full of people, then real raiders start to get bored, this leads to more and more of them raid logging, so no its not because of bots, but simply that they have pushed through the content.

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Oh, you want boosting? Sorry forgot that aspect as I do not do Dungeons on HC :innocent:
Well do it slowly. You can after all do all dungeons once a day :slight_smile:

Not delete is not a change from Era servers - there you’re not deleted either when you die. And as a rezz’ed person on a ONE life server is an oxymoron, you get the choice to transfer.

In that analogy, the $100 you were expecting was the expected price of buying in to a game: $15 per month. This enables you to access all content, GDKP runs, buy consumables, and play the game effectively. The $500 and $800 dollar shoes represent the inflation that Gold selling causes on the market, as this becomes what people are willing to spend to buy in(this is created through goldselling in WoW, so it is artificial in this example). With this figured in, the amount of time/money investment required for buy in becomes greater. Running in dress shoes, or picking a different sport would be analogous with not being able to afford consumes or to bid for gear in raids, so you just pay a different game instead.

Do you also look out your window on Tuesdays to see how your neighbors are putting out their garbage or what brand of garbage bags theyre using? Jeez dude.

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I have a quite stupid question. How can it be “Pay to Win” when there is no prize, nothing to win? We all have an equal chance (= One life) to get to level 60. It’s not even a race to 60. The challenge is to GET to 60.

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Their self worth hinges on you getting there the same way they are.

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I migth be dense, but I’m not paying anything (but subs) to play … and I can win = get to 60 (I hope - no luck so far :wink: ) without paying extra. I even do not think that paying extra would help me, except maybe pay someones to be my personal bodyguards throughout my entire journey. And I would not feel in the slightest way “winning” if I did this, only a big cheat.

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Dollars cannot represent multiple things in your analogy. If $100 is representing your subscription, then so too does $500 and $800, which immediately makes it a false equivalent because yoyr subscription cost never increases.

In a way, it sounds like you’re trying to say that because other people buy gold then you are required to buy gold which is entirely false, and the time sink does not increase relative to market prices either. Do you only participate in GDKP? Let’s not even get into that because that’s the whole reason RMT is even a rampant problem and what your true argument should be against.

Oh, so I was right. GDKP will most likely not be prevalent in HC due to the risk, same with all types of PuGs. Make some friends and join a guild. Your entire analogy as well as complaint is moot.

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I’ve been trying to figure this one out for a long time, outside of PVP at least.

I’m not in competition with anyone other players. In fact it’s the opposite as we are cooperating together to achieve a certain goal, complete a quest, dungeon, etc.

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But that was the concession to addon users that wished to have that “bad luck insurance” of appeals.

I’d posit that official is closer to what many addon users want than they are willing to admit.
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Not you. You’re the real deal.

Also

A++++ use of emoji in this case

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If you aren’t using HC to measure your peen, you just aren’t HC enough guys…

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lol yeah, all this over a levelling challenge :rofl:

Not actually the problem.

The problem is Blizzard is failing miserably to ban bot.

It could be said they dont want to ban bots and RMT because like wrath and modern retail they let it get bad so players ask for gold tokens so that blizz can get a cut of the action.

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Kill the bots. With the dungeon changes being made they wont be able to hide in instances indefinitely and its not as though theyll be fighting back.

Youll force them to use more detectable methods (flyhack/noclipping underground, etc) which will get Blizzard’s attention.

Dead bots will have to free transfer off to get access to their materials and gold again. Defeats the purpose as era servers are already botted to pieces.

And dealing with them with the PvP flagging changes isnt difficult. Plenty of mobs that have AoEs that are easily kited onto a bot and then Feigned off onto someone.

And whos gonna report that as griefing? The botter?

Also, discord coordination nowadays is basically a given. Having assigned bot hunting teams/guilds isnt just inside the realm of possibility, it absolutely should be what youre planning to implement.

Nobody outside the botrunners themselves are going to have anything bad to say about hitsquads patrolling heavily botted areas whacking botters and costing them revenue.

Also, to the dude who brought up the Federal Reserve in regards to the US economy… the Fed is a private, non-government entity that theoretically answers to the House of Representatives, but in practice answers to themselves alone. Not a good example.

Just wanna point out, even with the bulk of players on BSB using the addon there is still a market for RMT on that server.

All further restrictions meant to combat botting accomplish is making the game more annoying to play for normal players. HC or not there will be botting.

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To add onto this. Whether you can trade gold or not there will be RMT too.

People used to give gold sellers their account info for them to farm gold on their account. You also have raid items for RMT as well.

The only sure way to eliminate both botting and RMT is on the player base.

Not to say blizzard couldn’t do more but there is no avenue they could take that would eliminate it completely despite what others seem to believe or want.

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Even if we go full barter system it wouldn’t stop the botting/RMT issue. It’s been neglected for so long that it has grown past most normal solutions. Imagine GDKP but with whatever item/material has become the new currency.

I am not advocating to just do nothing about it, but as players our options are limited and surprisingly easy: Don’t buy gold, don’t buy carries, don’t buy boosts.

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