I see your argument. I have no interest whatsoever in a HC PvP realm, but I stil think people should be allowed to try and reach for the moon without you trying to shoot them down.
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Iâm not shooting them down, Iâm helping them out. If they actually want it and arenât forum trolling, they need to go open a private server with this ruleset to prove to blizzard it is in demand.
yeah itâs really bizarre they care so much to evangelize their own playstyle on to other players.
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Nah the people evangelizing their own playstyles were the classic and HC people who put in the work and did their own proof of concept to prove to blizzard it was worth their time to make those playstyles.
The PVP HCers are just forum pouting like the cloners or the RDFers.
This is an insteresting idea and Iâm sure there would be a small community for it. It would make you rethink how and where you lvl.
They would only need to implement a lvl limit for pvp like canât attack someone more than 5 lvls lower than you.
Players would need to lvl in groups of find quieter areas. Would be very community driven where higher lvl players who kill gankers would have very good reputation. The factions would actually cooperate more together
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There are just as many dedicated power gamers on alliance as there are on horde, and if the launch of the server was the most epic contest at hitting 60 first do you really think either side is going to let the other go uncontested?
Giving people free will MIGHT be terrible, just because something can happen and there is a worst case scenario does not make it a guarantee or not worth the risk. An honest to goodness hardcore PVP experience could be the ultimate experience in WOW when it comes to risk, reward, challenge, and a sense of accomplishment.
No one knows what Blizzard is going to do, they might do something amazing and give us a hardcore pvp server it would not hurt the experience for others it would simply improve the experience for people that want both hardcore and PVP.
Finally, I remember giant raids forming and kill squads forming from the defense channel, you might not have had the experience, but to say all high levels ignore it and people donât band together to find a fight isnât true. Open world conflicts and hunts for high level griefers by other high levels were commonplace when I played⌠Maybe you just had a different experience, or maybe itâs just another case of us not believing one another.
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Imaging the dynamics around farming honor only strictly through hardcore world PvP make my heart beat. Blizz clearly stated BGs will be disabled on HC, which I agree with.
I think there is hope since they called the PTR âNormal Hardcoreâ which implies other server types could exist.
While I am glad they keep bumping this thread, I would stop responding to their nonsense. I think all the anti-PvP arguments above are invalid. Resources? It simply takes the rules applied to a PvP server. Concept not tested? It already has been through the HC addon on PvP Era servers. Iâm 90% sure these other posters are either trolling or are intellectually challenged and simply regurgitate and project nonsense.
Yes I think the majority will play on Normal Realms but there are a million other examples of Blizz giving shout outs. Less than 0.1% of the WoW population does mythic raids. An extreme minority did HC, yet Blizz implemented the Soul of Iron buff. Given that it will take, Iâm guessing, an extremely small amount of additional effort to simply have one HC-PvP-Realm, I donât see why it wouldnât happen? We already know they will need multiple Realms to accommodate the population for at least the first several months.
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Considering how the hardcore raiding scene already looks to be players expecting Blizzard to intervene when a raid member causes a wipeâŚ
I think people say they want a Hardcore PVP server, but the reality is you donât and it would be dead or 99% one faction in no time at all.
You could easily end up with a server that has a single guild on it that is capable of raiding and in their spare time all they do is wipe anyone opposite faction trying to catch up. This snowballs and you have a very one sided server where one faction cannot make it to 60 in enough numbers to matter. Then everyone just re-rolls the winning faction and GG hardcore PVP server. WoW player behavior is very predictable, this is a very likely outcome.
Either havenât thought this through or are fine with it being silly
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I think people say they want a Hardcore PVP server, but the reality is you donât and it would be dead or 99% one faction in no time at all.
A lot of us already played /pvp (the HC-addon achievement is called âInsane in the Membraneâ and personally itâs the only way I play HC) on BSB, we simply want an entire server PvP server, which really isnât asking that much.
You could easily end up with a server that has a single guild on it that is capable of raiding and in their spare time all they do is wipe anyone opposite faction trying to catch up. This snowballs and you have a very one sided server where one faction cannot make it to 60 in enough numbers to matter. Then everyone just re-rolls the winning faction and GG hardcore PVP server. WoW player behavior is very predictable, this is a very likely outcome.
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This is an entirely imagined situation that also doesnât take into account that death = delete, this goes for both factions, aggressive gankers, and people who will be defending contested territory for honor.
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I mean you projecting your play style on to the entire community. So we need to have the same goals as you too? Raiding? I struggle to understand how you can be so dismissive of a niche playstyle when you yourself play one (HC) - Iâm assuming?
Either havenât thought this through or are fine with it being silly
Youâre just projecting at this point. Ironically you havenât thought HC PvP through. The only person being silly is you by projecting your playstyle on to everyone else. Then taking even further by voicing your opinion opposing the way myself and many others have played on Bloodsail and want to play on the official Realms.
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Do it, could be fun
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You claim to have âstopped addressingâ me, yet here you are still responding to me with your idiotic rhetoric. I gave my reasons, you just donât wanna hear them⌠you want me to say what you want me to say, discussion doesnât work that way bud.
In the entire conversation you have not been able to give any decent foundation or make to question their position, simply because you do not share their taste or opinion you dedicated yourself to garbage, in fact if I did not care before, now I want them to give them pvp hc servers
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That is your opinion, I donât need to expand further on what I said. If you canât pick up what Iâm putting down, that is your problem. I want them to give it to them too⌠just to prove my point, Iâve also already stated this but you know⌠you ignored that portion because it didnât align with this snarky comment you just made.
Probably make people appreciate the WB Dispellers a little bit more. At least youâre not dying 
It would be vastly underpop --but sure, why not. I wonât play there, but if others want to then w/e.
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Hasnât been well received by a few sweaty neckbeard Andysâ who had nothing left to Andy over except HC and now thatâs gone.
This.
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Hasnât been well received by a few sweaty neckbeard Andysâ who had nothing left to Andy over except HC and now thatâs gone.
I somewhat agree with your point, I think a lot of people are excited about the official support for a completely community driven mode.
Nobody is playing a HC pvp server. Use critical thinking skills.
I would play it, other people that have posted in this thread would play it. The people that visit a forum represent a fraction of an actual playerbase, I think you could measure interest in this and it would show true that there is interest for this content and mode. There are entire MMORPGs that have been launched and sustained on the concept of always on full loot PVP even if that represents a fraction of the MMORPG community it is certainly large enough to show that âhigh stakesâ PVP is exciting and wanted, and even profitable.
Lol at OPâs original post. Good luck even surviving to level 10 much less level 20 with PVP server rules. PffftâŚ
This is just an exaggeration, hardcore is difficult true and it makes the game more exciting. PVP is difficult that is true, and it makes the game more exciting. This will not make it impossible to level just more challenging and rewarding for the players that want to attempt to climb the mountain.
Yea, itâll be popular for a few days then die because people realize HC and PVP donât mix⌠but you know, believe whatever you wanna believe.
HC and PVP sound like chocolate and peanutbutter to me. Would you accept the premise that DayZ was a good example of hardcore pvp mixing well? That was pretty popular. How about the now controversial Dark and Darker? That would be considered a HC PVP game. Those games werenât for everyone, but they were undeniably popular and fun in my opinion. I think that shows that HC and PVP can mix. Or I can bring up D2 again⌠That didnât seem to go over well.
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Another terrible comparison dude. DayZ? An open-world survival shooter? Dark and Darker? Lol⌠then you bring up D2 again. You are entirely incapable of making a good comparison. HC and PVP logically donât make sense together, you want an IRL simulator? Do you have proof of HC and PVP together has actual popularity? Because Iâve never heard anyone clamor for it until YOU and maybe a few others recently. The point of HC to not die and work your way to max level which is 60, how does PVP add to that? It just opens the door for people who no lifed it early to group up and gank low levels just because or there will be almost no faction balance, gamers canât be trusted to play nice.
PvP and HC makes perfect sense for me.
Me and my two best friends want to play it, and my brother tells me that he would only go back to WoW if they release a HC pvp server. There are many people who do not post or comment on the forums, and there is a wide variety of players out there, releasing an HC pvp server in addition to the pves would obviously be a smart move to attract a greater number of players, not everyone thinks like you, and if you think that your thought is always that of the majority, I think it would be being very delusional
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Kek, the Horde would have such an advantage.