Long grindy leveling + one life + pvp = an almost non-existent player-base.
This just isn’t true, it’s what you think is true, but we don’t know that to be the case. Blizzard could do a simple poll and find out, people that are interested in the game can say Yes I’d play! and we can get a number tally. They can do a math equation and figure out if it’s profitable if necessary.
This argument to me sounds exactly like you think you do but you don’t, and look how wildly popular classic wow was.
You are not keeping your argument simple, you’re just repeating your opinion over and over as a fact and not contributing any intellectual effort to support your idea. You think you do, but you dont.
Youre arguing about diablo 2 when you clearly havent even played it and know nothing about it. People can get to Hell difficulty in 3-4 hours and farm the best items in the game at that point as well as kill ubers and finish all end game content.
Level 99 is completely unnecessary and all content can be finished at level 70 or less. Your argument is a joke.
HC pvp server is an awful idea. Just put it to bed.
I am supporting my comparison because it is valid. I have played Diablo 2, but I didn’t reference myself I referenced the internet and max level as that was the argument proposed to me.
Whether or not you think it is worthwhile to reach max level is an interesting opinion and a valid one. It is your opinion and your experience and I am glad that you can experience a game you like in the way you like to play it.
Just because you disagree with my argument doesn’t make it a joke. I will even go so far as to simply believe you, and say you’re absolutely correct even when you’re stating something different than what I said without addressing the concept and without references. What you consider end game might not be the same as other players, you don’t have to hit 60 in wow either. That is probably why you want to play hardcore in the first place right? You don’t know if you’ll make it all the way? What about all those hardcore players that never hit 100 in Diablo 4, did that make 100 useless as well? What about that statue everyone was talking about?
You might be the most knowledgeable individual on this forum about Diablo 2, I grant you that, but you sir have failed to state WHY it is an awful idea, because Diablo 2 isn’t what I said it was? What about World of Warcraft? What about every PVP server that has players on it? What about an insanely popular new mode that is coming out and a precedent of releasing a pvp server for every other version of world of warcraft.
This is nothing like D2. You could 100% avoid PVP in Hardcore D2 and level up to your hearts content. In a WOW pvp server you would be ganked by rogues and druids the second you enter contested territory and never have the time to level up. Which would be hilarious for the rogues and druids for the 2 weeks before the server became a graveyard, and I would 100% participate for 2 weeks.
Also no one is stopping you from pvping in Hardcore. Flag yourself and fight other people who flag themselves.
Because blizzard isn’t going to waste resources making a game mode for a tiny fraction of a fraction of the playerbase.
Again, you do not know this it is just what you think will happen. If we could do a poll on whether or not there is engagement for this type of content lets do that, it would settle this speculation. You are not correct you just think this, thats an interesting thought I don’t believe you. And you don’t believe me. But there is a way to prove it! If your argument trended towards correct there would not be players on pvp servers for the version of the game that exist now. Doesn’t it just make sense that people would want pvp in every game mode if there is interest show so far for every game mode released?
This is nothing like D2. You could 100% avoid PVP in Hardcore D2 and level up to your hearts content. In a WOW pvp server you would be ganked by rogues and druids the second you enter contested territory and never have the time to level up. Which would be hilarious for the rogues and druids for the 2 weeks before the server became a graveyard, and I would 100% participate for 2 weeks.
Also no one is stopping you from pvping in Hardcore. Flag yourself and fight other people who flag themselves.
Diablo 2 is comparable to this. I have already lined out the reasons why but I’ll do some again. long grind to level, lots of risk on hardcore, optional pvp mode for players that want to pvp with other hardcore players, wildly successful game, blizzard game.
You have a valid point that people can flag for PVP and experience the whole game, sounds great if I was on a server with other PVP minded players that would always flag up. I just want that setting to be locked to ON for everyone on the server ALL the time just like on all other PVP servers. This works great for me. I don’t want to force PVE players to fight with me, I want to fight other players that enjoy spirited contests and interesting conflicts that are dynamic. I want to experience faction wars I want the original vision of PVP for this game.
Stating to someone that only plays on PVP servers that they can ‘flag up’ and pvp is just not the same. If it was there would never have been a PVP server launch for any version of this game to begin with. The fact that people that play on PVE servers only keep saying this over and over just goes to show that they haven’t experienced or enjoyed open world pvp on a server where everyone else is doing the same thing. Its the greatest blizzard experience for anything I’ve tried period. A lot of people like that experience there is support for this and it can be measured.
Again who cares if people run rogues and druids and try to gank fest just because you want to cheese doesn’t mean you will survive every match and if you die its over You are risking just as much running around in ‘sneak’ as players of classes that can’t hide. This works on PVP servers and not everyone is a rogue, there is no possible way for you to predict that everyone would be a rogue or a druid. If your argument and reasoning for this is that people would be so afraid to die on hardcore that they would play a class that is the least likely to die then everyone would be the most survivable class in the game on hardcore right now right? That isn’t the case. And even if it was the case, so what, let players play like they want to. We are not telling you that you have to play on this server we just want a server to play on that is REAL pvp an actual honest to goodness hardcore pvp experience.
My argument is that world pvp is about griefing, not about skill. It always has been. And HC is the highest form of griefing. 100% the no lifers will come in packs and do the easiest way to grief, and stealth will 100% murder everyone.
I mean, I do know it will happen, but more importantly Blizzard knows it will happen, which is why they have already said the HC system is not conducive to PVP and restricted it even more than normal PVE servers.
Once again, I think it would be hilarious to grief on a PVP HC server and would 100% enjoy watching the glorious disaster of one. But there is absolutely no chance that Blizzard will ever make one.
And from Launch until HC I have played exclusively on PVP servers, corpse camped lowbies, killed flight masters and quest mobs, all the fun griefing that PVP servers are until everyone abandons world PVP. I am aware of the draw of them (and it isn’t “spirited combat”, world PVP is unbalanced AF and completely down to numbers and who gets the drop - until AQ and Naxx then it is just about gear).
So as someone like you who is clearly a Normie Server Advocate, wouldn’t you want to bunch up all the griefers, these “no lifers,” on a server that ISN’T the one you play on?
I want one too, I would love to grief on it. I am just not dumb enough to think that it would have any longevity or that Blizzard would waste resources making it.
It’s not a waste because myself and many others would pay to play on a Hardcore PvP Realm for one.
I sure we could spare one of the eight dozen dead era servers.
EDIT: I find it bizarre how judgmental people who play a niche game mode such as HC are about another niche game mode. You realize there are just as many people who think Normal HC Realms are absurd? Why are you so bent on evangelizing your playstyle on others? Just let us play the way you want? I get it you don’t want to play on a HC-PvP-Realm. But why are you extending to the point of crusading against it? It’s bizarre.
I would love to fight and try to survive against griefers, I love it on regular pvp servers. There would be nothing more satisfying to me than crushing a rogue that attempts to jump me, or watching a group of griefers get killed by their peers on the opposing faction. It isn’t just griefing it is just PVP. I think you would actually enjoy it, what you think of as griefing is just someone fighting against someone else on a PVP server. I can’t wait to see a level 60 get ganked after rolling some lowbies. It would be amazing. Open World PVP is not just about griefing it’s about trying to level up and not knowing if you’re going to have to fight for your life. It makes the boring quests dynamic and it allows players to interact on a level that the game was designed to support. It gives meaning to factions, and that’s classic.
Blizzard should have rules to prevent griefing and PVP on the PVE server. That much is extremely blatantly obvious. We are not asking to kill sheep. We want to kill eachother. On the PVP server there don’t need to be rules because you can only keep what you are strong enough to hold, and no one is strong enough to dominate an entire server.
Totally agree. The social dynamics that would be created surrounding ganking would be incredible.
I only played Bloodsail with /pvp enabled, so I’m not simply talking out my rear end. I would be so excited to see an entire realm where we’re all undertaking the same challenge.
LOL. Open World PVP is all about winning the race and camping greys.
Double LOL. There would be 0 faction balance. Horde has a gigantic advantage of good dungeons in non contested areas. It would be a huge horde population gap to the point where it would be pointless to play alliance and then boring to be Horde. PVP server pops do not self regulate.
To even pretend to make it work, you would need faction pop caps to force an equal population balance. It still wouldn’t work, but that would be a prerequisite for any chance. And since Blizzard has never bothered to implement those in the past 20 years despite being sorely needed, there is 0 chance they are going to design and implement them for a game mode catering to a tiny fraction of a fraction of classic players.
Every post and watch and like on this thread is a step in the right direction. A lot of people thought we would never get classic again, a lot of people never dreamed of having hardcore at all. We’re not even asking for that redesign for faction balance. I for one plan on playing the underdog faction if there even is one, and I planned on alliance as well. I’ve played alliance since the beginning of this game back in 2004 and I plan on doing it again. If for some reason it was the horde I’d play that side too. I realize I’m not the norm on that, but there will be players like me, and there will be players to fight.
Not even trying is the only way this is never going to happen. If you think you would like it just say so, it’s not a bad idea if it is something you would like and there are others that think the same way. It is also going to be beneficial to the other server I think thats a major reason PVP exists in the first place, put all the inmates back into the prison we don’t want to be out there with normal pve players anymore than they want us to be there.