How many blizzard games have both hardcore AND pvp? I hear it was so good in diablo 3 they must have keep it in 4 right?
They have it in 4, I play it.
You have literally no good points here and are totally outnumbered, I’m surprised you don’t realize how silly you look patronizing people that all disagree with you and would enjoy a PvP server. It’s okay to be wrong, you clearly are here… people are interested and that’s all it takes to make Blizz more money with minimal effort by adding as PvP HC Option. This thread alone disproves how you claim there is no interest and you’re making a fool of yourself. People are interested, end of story.
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I’ll just wait for the posts about how unfair the PvP sever is…you know if you even get one
Sorry guys no raid tonight tank got MC into the lava see ya in 6 months
or unfair the HC server is if they disconnect and die?
People will always complain. That’s not any real reason either to deny people a server, still waiting for an actual point from you that really changes anyones mind here.
People die at all times and levels anyway so this happens in PvE servers too, your point is moot and you are a troll. Go touch grass.
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I would personally say it is just as likely we get one as it is that Blizzard wants more Subscriptions rather than less. This would only make them more money and open up HC to the broader WoW community, and not just simply the PvE players.
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Do you think the player base wants Hardcore PvP so they can raid?
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The only ppl who would thrive on a server like that are the day 1s
Actually not at all, the ability to die at any time any of the day 1 players log in still remains prevalent. With PvP added in, the world will be more brutal not less. Meaning it wouldn’t be hard for a squad of level 50s to find and kill a level 60 (day 1 or month one doesn’t matter). Also Day 1 max level players wont be as much of an issue for low/mid level tiers as the proposed rule that only allows players to engage in pvp with other people that wouldn’t be within honorable kill range (roughly 5 levels above or below them). So to be so fixated only on high level, or end game is really very short sighted as most combat and most of the game will be about mid levels and more about the journey and less about end game, like most HC players agree. (which is also why raiding never even took off on BSB Horde)
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Then one of them dies from falling death, and another dies from a disconnect, and their friend gets ganked on the way to Sunken Temple, and another dies from an accidental pull. If you’re making it high levels in a HC-PvP server, it won’t be because you were there day 1 only, it’s because you’re a really good gamer that knows this game well, and being a lone high level isn’t as strong as you think.
This is already covered in the thread above as well, that the servers power structures will be dynamically changing due to the brutal nature of the server. No one person will be top dog forever, sure there are gamer gods out there that can make it much harder to kill them but that’s just a challenge for the community of the opposite faction and not something out of reach for a PvP community to hunt down someone ganking fresh level 50s. These are welcome challenges to a PvP culture, and we see this as fun.
Edit; I can guarantee you that no one who has posted on this thread is the BEST on their server in anything, so does that stop you from playing it? There will always be people that have more time than I do because I am a father and a part time gamer at best. I don’t have time to be the first level 60 on this proposed server, I am perfectly content in leveling at my pace with a crew of my friends I can trust in PvP combat if the need arises while we are in contested zones doing quests or farming. I am no God Gamer, I am casual and this server will be Casual Friendly especially with the implemented ideas in the OP.
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I couldn’t agree with you more 
Hardcore mode is not meant for you to get attached to your character to the point of pretending he will never die, it is about living survival experiences, and in case you die hoping it was a great experience, and you come back to embark on another one, being a little more experienced. PvP only comes to give more life to the server. I quote Achilles again “the gods envy mortals, because only they can feel the adrenaline of being alive”.
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I would be okay with a pvp zone not an entire realm like d4. Have increased resources and spawns in that zone and the brave can farm there.
In that case I would prefer to get an experience/gold buff for activating PvP, so you don’t shrink the world for World PvP.
But I still prefer to have a PvP server in the first place.
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I don’t think they need to remake a map or make a new pvp zone worth it like this. Using old Zones for your pvp zone also poses an issue because some players on a PvE server might want to just avoid it, and if the farming/materials within it are needed they will just complain, so we just need HC PvP with the same zones being contested as they always have. This means you need to be more prepared going in and probably travel in groups and keep an eye on sightings of the Allies/Hordes mentioned constantly in the Local Defense channels. We aren;t trying to rewrite the zones and how they work, by this day and age accompanied with the “Entering X Zone (contested territory)” should be plenty enough warning that if you’re not ready to turn back and get ready.
Let Warlocks use their Eye, Hunters their Eagle Eye, and Shamans their Farsight. Allow the new game mode to be understood in you and why PvP HC makes much more sense than PvE. The world is supposed to be at War, when we have this no War and Cross Faction characters with no restriction the world loses some of it’s soul.
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I’ve already leveled dozens of characters on Bloodsail with the HC-addon PvP achieve. I’ve died to PvP in the 20s and 30s. I still want a HC Ruleset PvP Realm.
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Already built into PvP-Realms, called contested zones 
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HC PVP would be a catastrophic dumpster fire. PVP on Grobb launch was so vile and mean spirited, classic already attracts some of the worst humans. Just nonstop grey bashing and spawn camping. People seem to come to classic to signal that they are angry at society and want to take it out on others just as a baseline. Permadeath is going to bring that to a fever pitch. Blizz don’t wanna deal with it, no one would.
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Show me where the WoW PvP community touched you on this doll.
There are people in every game in the world that are trolls, or is downright mean. This is a fact of life on any game that deals with an online presence and I have seen just as much hate in XR chat on BSB as any PvP server. This is objectively untrue and is based on your opinion that sounds based on a perception you have of PvP. For instance take league of legends, or virtually any shooter game, this is a fact that there is competition and there are people that cause problems with others, but if this is any reason not to get more subscribers to pay blizzard monthly then they would go ahead and cut Call of Duty from their list of games to discontinue as well. Good thing you’re not running Blizzard sales…
Spawn camping? Good sir this is not a shooter. You must mean GY camping, and that is completely avoidable if you know how to play at all. This is 2023 and this is HC PvP suggestion server, I fail to see how spawn camping even applies but go on…
And you seem like a victim. I don’t see how any of this is relevant it seems that your feelings and emotions are tied to why people shouldn’t get a pvp server because you were harassed and had a negative time. (And a negative it must have been, you’re still struggling to recover clearly) If you don’t plan to play PvP and hate the WoW Classic community so much, why are you even here in this thread? Talk about throwing rocks in glass houses, you’re so full of contradiction it’s laughable.
Wow what dumpster fire of a post ending in complete catastrophe. I didn’t know you spoke for all of blizzard and know exactly how much they would have to “deal with”.
Assimilation complete? Go touch some grass good sir, it’s good to get outside.
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Just another “I hate HC PvP so no one can play it” post.
You are like one of the players that randomly whisper me profanity when I play flagged on Bloodsail.
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“Evil” players create the opportunity to us vanquish evil - which will be even sweeter on an HC Ruleset PvP Realm. Letting these types play safe on a PvE Realm would be robbing everyone of such justice 
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Agreed, PvP has a certain poetic justice. A PvP HC server will be full of competition both negative and positive. If people want a better server then it’s not hard in a HC server for like minded people to work together towards a goal of “cleaning up shop.”
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