I’m waiting to see your cold hard facts and logic please I want to see it with my own two eyes
I’m not gonna waste a second longer with you.
Your arguments don’t even make logical sense, and are easily disproven by just looking at logs and the game as a whole. You didn’t even make an argument actually. If cdr/cde was as bad as you guys want to make it then why are so many specs that focus on cdr/cde so good? Literally most specs have cdr or cde, and some of the best specs in the game are fully focused on these aspects. Yet you people purposefully avoid to talk, or think about this because it doesn’t line up with your agenda. There is nothing objective about saying that if you have cdr/cde your spec is doomed to be mediocre, it’s complete and utter bs, and you just cherry pick things that suit your argument and discard the rest.
What about fights where cdr is beneficial because it gives you higher cd uptime where you need it? Or add intermissions where getting those extra cds are very important? What about just the fun factor? Getting more cds, and higher meta uptime translates into higher haste and generally a more fun rotation? What about that?
Now stop talking to me. Regardless after this i will not reply anyway.
frost dk is good? when?
What are you even referring to?
frost dk is the no1 spec thast reliant on cdr/extension for breath of sindragosa. they are suffering in all content because of this overreliance on cdr for their main damaging cd.
oblit frost also relies on cdr for pillar of frost. any downtime or mechanic that forces them away from their main target means they suffer and do sub tnk damage. this is also reflected in logs, the best frost dks pair with their own tanks to pull around them which isnt a healthy thing for the spec in general.
there is no agenda or anything, its just the reality of cdr heavy consistent specs. they are inflexabile and to be good they have to make other specs around them inflexable
Yea, i never said that breath was a good cde mechanic, in fact it’s the one mechanic i pointed out that’s badly made. Did you even read what i said? Please go back and learn to read.
You’re just cherry picking.
another example, fury warrior reckless fury. they need to live in this “burst cd” along with odyns fury and avatar at near 90% uptime or they do tank dps. if they dont have a tank to pull around these extension windows or get a mechanic then they’ll lose uptime and do sub tank dps. again this isnt healthy for the spec.
there is no agenda or anything, its just the reality of cdr heavy consistent specs. they are inflexabile and to be good they have to make other specs around them inflexable
the only spec that pulls of being a consistent spec is outlaw and thats 100% due to its history as one and the amoutn of trial and error to make it a good consistent cdr spec. this includes making alot of its abilities range and proper resource spending/ resource mattering
firy, frost dk, and havoc did not have the luxury of this
The only spec that suffers majorly from this is frost dk breath due to how it’s designed, the rest is mostly exaggerated bs.
End of the story.
If you think otherwise it’s just because you’re trying to push and agenda.
i encourrage you to look in logs and talk in discords. but its clear you wont be convinced so theres no point. good day
I did.
Now stop annoying me.
Ill concede that for frost dk it is a problem, but that’s something i said myself.
As i said before for all other specs though, it’s mostly exaggerated bs to push a point, and this is the actual truth.
For havoc, coh/sd are NOT AN ISSUE, you just don’t like them. End of story.
He paid for the advanced logs so he can see behind the scenes and know what blizzard and the elitist warcraftlogs team is hiding from us
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:notlikethis: he got ahold of the secret logs
people dont realize the talents change and the way S1 tier set would work with new talents could be crazy.
s1 set is just very uninteresting to be honest.
You don’t really feel it’s impact in anything aside damage.
PS:
You know what’s ironic now that i think about it… It’s actually laughable.
Apparently dh players dislike cdr so much that they like a set that’s focused on… CDR, but it’s the hunt, so that’s completely different.
Apparently the uptime issue that’s so talked about is quickly forgotten as long as you like the set/actual mechanic or spell.
Consistency huh… Seems to me that it’s a whole load of garbage as i said above.
Let us use dyes to change the appearance of tier sets.
as a druid main through and through. when class mounts were announced in legion i always said dh should get illidan esc flying with just demon form i would love to just be floating in the air in demon form (which has always looked so cool) like illidan at the end of the BC cinematic
First of all I would like to say Shattered Destiny (SD) and Cycle of Hatred (CoH) and as well as Demonic didn’t get nerfed because people complained about them, but because Metamorphosis (Meta) was buffed by becoming a 2 minutes CD from a 3 Minutes CD. So that our Meta Uptime % would stay the same.
It is very much different since CoH/SD is not a CDR gameplay as it is more similar to Breathe of Sindragosa gameplay. Frost Death Knight wants to keep their breathe rolling as long as possible while we, during S1 and S2, are trying to stay in Meta as long as possible since Annihilation/Death Sweep hit so much harder and let us do strong damage.
No Melee likes losing uptime and every melee gets punished for losing uptime, BUT Frost DK and SD/CoH Havoc feels the effects MUCH MORE than other melee and that’s the problem.
Would I like to have a cool gameplay where I am in Meta with high amounts of haste with LOW GCD and spamming strong Annihilations and Death sweep? Yes, but they then would balance our gameplay/Class around having high amount of Meta Uptime where Meta doesn’t have as much impact and feeling more like a Visual change like Worgen Form.
No, we like the S3 tier set because of the 2p, as explained 1 million times already.
An ideal set would be the S3 2p and the S1 4p or something like that.
I’m voting S3 because I really want the 2set to be made a talent at some point. I’m not against using Throw Glaive as a DPS button, I think it’s fine, but having it being automated as part of your rotation is very very good and high quality of life.
The CDR on The Hunt is… meh. Powerful but extremely boring. Then again all our sets this expansion have been extremely boring.
wow… this will be so fun , starting a new season and getting to look forward to nothing new or innovative, just the exact same stuff we’ve been playing in season 3 scaling up. I don’t disagree with the current trend to S3 of the given options, in so far that Season 3 is probably the ‘best’ in terms of optimization, but jeeeeeze I’ll be more than ready for a change by then, going to make that last season 4 feel like a long boring slog.