Right, instead they should make changes so that the sides aren’t so lopsided that one faction has 2+ hour queues and the other 5 minute queues. That implies that there’s a ratio of 24:1 horde to alliance.
The win ratio is similar, probably somewhere between 20:1 and 100:1. Yes, apathy can explain some of that but why is there apathy and just in AV? The reasons are most likely deep and complex, not just that horde are better players. They pull from the same pool of players, why did the horde end up with more people who do AV, more people who win at AV?
Something is wrong with AV, something needs to be changed. Pretty simple. Start making little changes and see what happens. Experiment and iterate.
Or sit on your thumbs like Blizzard is doing. But don’t be surprised when no alliance are in AV.
In case it wasn’t clear, I am not going to bother actually arguing something that has been argued a thousand times before. At this point I hardly care and it has been proven that people absolutely refuse to change their mind so its not worth the effort.
I just wanted to state that comparing vanilla and classic is a worthless point and shouldn’t be used as an argument. The meta is vastly different and players are significantly better and more knowledgeable than they ever were 15 years ago.
While this may be a good point if we were talking about instances and raids and farming dungeons in a min/max way, this doesn’t hold water when talking about a static BG, the iteration that some fall all over themselves to point out was the longest running version in vanilla.
The only “meta” is the horde play in response to an opponent which now by and large are not willing to try as they did in the past. Horde are just taking what is being freely offered. They are not better at the game, they are just willing to play it.
You speak only for yourself, gnome. Back in the day you were not required to be there from start to finish, and could make great rep and honor just playing for as long as you wished.
What do you mean “rushing it the same way”? It is pretty clear that horde are not interested in rushing it currently, else they’d be allowing it to return to a race. Rest assured, horde will be playing as they/we do now, however the perceived “map imbalance” would no longer be an excuse for alliance.
And 1.5 was far from perfect. 1.7 was as close to a complete version of AV as we got.
Right on. Too bad most people don’t want to acknowledge this. i actually wish they’d change the map to show the alliance they just suck. They’d still cry though and say it’s the maps fault.
Imagine actually thinking that the 95% horde win rate in AV is solely down to the horde just being so dramatically superior in every way (while ignoring the near 50/50 split in AB and WSG). It’s just so crazy how every super duper pro PvP player went horde and all the casuals went Alliance.
Can I please have whatever you’re smoking lol, the only argument anyone can make for the horde being better players is the fact that their factions racials are super broken for PvP.
I’m just hoping that all of this talk can get blizzard to take a look at this bg. I mean they have to have the metrics showing how one sided it is, but still, talking about it with the playerbase is really important.
Do you understand English? Seriously. I have to ask because you are missing multiple qualifiers in my statement.
I said OF the players who go into AV those that play Horde are higher level and better geared than their Alliance counterparts. This is a simple thing to check…go into AV. You will see that , on average the Horde characters are better geared than their Alliance counterparts.
Do you understand the point I just made?
Go the willful ignorance of the forums frustrating…
I am now. IF map imbalances were the root cause of the AV issues then there should have been some sign during Vanilla or on private servers. Then pre-mades never would have worked as well as they did, and AV weekends would be just as disastrous as the regular AV. Right?
I’ll be honest , it’s not a skill gap by any stretch of the imagination. Especially the healing, Alliance healers are far “BETTER” than their Horde counterparts (in my experience). Playing a warrior or any class in any BG is great as long as the healer is kept safe.
To be honest , the same people who complain in the forums are the same ones fishing and semi AFK in AV and when people call them out for their behavior they start with the same forums harpy rant we are all to familiar with at this point.
No. First of all, Classic is not a perfect clone of Vanilla. Lots of things are slightly or vastly different. Secondly this is a MMORPG and even if the game is exactly the same the second M, multiplayer, has changed considerably.
For example, back in the day alliance tended to have the longer queues so there was less incentive for horde to turtle. The game plays very differently today than it used to, exposing inequalities in the map that existed then but weren’t used at the time because they weren’t worth it with short horde queues.
When I use multiple points and you only address the first one and ignore the rest I feel like I am wasting my time responding. There would be some sign in the past, however small, that there was a major map issue, but there wasn’t.
The issue didn’t exist in Vanilla OR on private servers
The Issue didn’t exist when Alliance were able to premade
The issue is much less pronounced on AV weekends
Horde AVers tend to be better geared and max level and Higher ranked
Alliance AVers are often sub-60 and in greens and blues
Do you disagree with any of those points? Not whether you think they are relevant but if they are true or not.
There are already tons of threads on this topic. It’s been discussed to death and there is nothing new in this thread. It comes down to AV is broken, the reasons don’t matter because we’re way past how this came to be. Now Blizzard has to try to make changes to fix it but they aren’t lifting a finger.
So you can bring up whatever points you’re trying to make, they don’t matter a single bit. AV is broken and is not getting fixed. We might as well argue about how many angels dance on the head of a pin.
Graff and the rest of the defeatist cheerleaders have a long history of dismissing even fellow alliance like you that do not toe their line. There is zero chance of your getting them to understand anything beyond their fevered feels. It is just going to end with him adding yet another player who doesn’t agree with him to his ignore list.
He and the others want an echo chamber, and they wonder why Blizzard is ignoring them.