But not a majority of peoples. Raiders are actually a tiny minority at heroic and above. Most people who play wow, never raid at all.
It’s only a bad choice from YOUR point of view, and my point of view is different.
And we can design it so changes mostly affect raiders. So it doesn’t matter what you think then if you don’t feel concerned.
You are not part of this discussion.
I pay my fee, and have unlimited access to the forums, and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. Best of luck with getting me to stop posting my view.
thanks for proving my point.
If your point was… memememememe. Then ya, you proved it. We see very well what you care about.
Summarise your arguments then. Because it doesn’t seem like you have “arguments”, but you have complaints based on the notion of “my personal friend circle consists of people who dislike M+ ergo I am extrapolating that everyone who raids are more likely to not like M+”. Which… that isn’t an argument.
So what is your argument exactly, what is your complaint, because so far in about 1100 posts, no real problem has been established here that exists on a systematic level. A lot of personal issues, and niche cases, but nothing that establishes a fundamental problem but really just showcases a lot of personal conjecture from … essentially just three people.
If you haven’t been able to get a gist of it and have gone through the thread I wouldn’t put the blame on me.
It’s simple M+ like borrowed powers should be put aside from people way to get to content specifically raiding so it respect more their time and enjoyment of the game. There are solutions to that which is to buff raids in many ways or we can go nuclear which is to split them off.
There is no conjoncture when the problems with borrowed power grinds is now known and has been observed and corrected. I have personnal experience which cross that too.
We’re just smashing together buzzwords now to see if that can conjure up some sympathy?
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That is one way to go. Or just put the legacy content called raids to bed, and retire them completely.
Mythic+ gear progression, and borrowed power systems are not the same thing.
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I suppose I just feel like it’d be more open if we didn’t lock people out. That’s why I don’t raid. But if I ended up locked out of M+ as well then like, I’d move to a game that has better content that’s not M+. WoW doesn’t have much else.
They’re only buzzwords because people have reactions to them based on experience. Which is the same for M+.
Raids are still the star jewel of the game, it’s not because most people go through leveling that leveling is the best experience the game has to offer.
Not exactly, close enough as both are grinds which shouldn’t be necessary to get into raids easily and have fun in them.
It doesn’t make much sense to lock M+ as it would go against its spammy design but splitting it off or making raids better would certainly alleviate the impact it has on other content.
His argument seems to be …
I cant control my own behavior. To keep up with the Joneses I will grind myself into the ground. So you must change the entire game to suit my lack of self control. Nobody can have fun but me.
Community issue, not a game issue. If it wasn’t this, then you’ll just find another thing to repeat until your keyboard breaks. Just like people have been doing since the game came out, and in everquest long before that.
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Is this you trying to raid without stacking M+ gear? Cause that’s what I imagine it to look like.
Apparently being competitive is over-gearing the content until there is no challenge at all.
Nah it’s simply you completely missing the point and being oblivious about raiding and mostly hate posting at this point 
Content is balanced around you getting gear to beat it. 
Some beat mythic in three weeks. Some beat it in six months. They are not equal achievements, and these people did not complete the same content.
With enough gear you can straight ignore nearly every mechanic in the game. It’s a crutch of the unskilled, and always has been.
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Sure but you never have come close to any of them as will never most people in term of skills. They still buy a lot of gear early, do insane amounts of split runs and they still do M+.
Tell that to those that do the RWF and spend most of their time getting gear.
If you’re not going for a week 1 kill, then just don’t do m+.
Don’t take stuff away from your neighbor because you don’t enjoy it.
Even if you aren’t going for week 1 the more time you do M+ the more time you’ll save in raids. It’s an easy equation.
Funny that all this time people see me asking for either raid buffs or splitting content as taking away something.
It’s like a canned reaction.