With all the threads and fighting we’ve had on the forum and elsewhere about RDF, has anyone actually changed their mind? Is all the fighting for nothing?
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Don’t change your mind. People will attack you for it. Trust me.
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Its not about changing players minds, it’s about letting the devs know we are not happy with their decision
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The few that are hardcore anti-RDF have chosen their hill to die on, even though the fight has been lost. Arrogance and narcissism play a huge factor. But its not the anti-RDF’ers that are the problem. Its Blizzards poor decision making and incompetent developers.
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I definitely know some Anti-RDF folks that will never change their mind, lol.
But tbf, I wont change my pro-RDF stance either. so /shrug
But this^ basically. There will be people on both sides, and it’s good that the devs get opinions from both parties. As long as they are actually listening to the CMs that have to read through all of the chatter.
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Nope. Still want it.
The ninjya’s will steal your gear! I want the xp. and as if RNG would give me the gear. RNG hates me. Really it does. I’d fail rolls. Ninjya’s can’t steal what RNG would not give me anyway lol.
the carries will come in. I’d…be a “carry”. As carry seems to include people not BIS. we need to define carry better. not every crap gear scrub wants the carry. we want to work. no gear…we work less effective than others. but we will try.
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I have. I didn’t want it at first, but I was convinced throughout Classic and TBCC that it’s absolutely necessary.
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If you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything you pick and choose the hills that you want to die on and this is a hill a lot of us are willing to die on.
At the end of the day its wizard’s decision what they want to do However what I’m hoping happens is once the Beta comes in people are going to see how bad it’s going to be and maybe that’ll be enough to push it in.
Hack I would be happy if they put it in at phase too at this point Because if they really want to justify and say well then the leveling scene is dead at that point OK fine.
But the reality is the more they get pushed back the more we talk about LFD as a whole the bigger the chances that it’s going to be in.
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I think the only way I would change my mind is if Blizzard gave us the Retail LFG tool, moved the LFG rewards to a quest giver NPC, and connected the low population servers. The gearscore addon would also need to be broken. Do all this and I might change my mind.
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I have been advocating people should be looking for area’s where both parties can find compromises… but regrettably, for many that seems to fall on deaf ears.
With no middle ground established we can’t chart a way forward.
There is no middle ground, we’re asking for something that should be there because it WAS there.
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That’s where I believe there can be. For instance, adding it in a later phase is a form of ‘middle ground’. One I am sure the other party doesn’t agree with at all, but there are places we can compromise for sure.
This for instance isn’t a bad start:
It was posted on a different thread, but roughly encompasses how I envision a compromise between the two groups working.
On the one hand, the early stages of the game will have very limited use of the LFD tool promoting social interaction WHILE heroic dungeons are being pursued by the majority of players as ‘current’ content. While after that content becomes largely irrelevant and only really exists for the daily badges + gearing alts, it too gets added to the LFD tool (earlier than when it would have been if we stuck to the original release I might add).
It’s not heroic to refuse to change your mind based on new information, it’s folly.
Just add it in ICC phase like it should be.
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There-in being the point. Both parties are too stubborn to sacrifice a ‘little’ bit of what they want to appease both groups. So long as this is the mentality held by players we can’t establish a middle ground and come up with ideas that might actually be believe-it-or-not ‘good’ for the game.
We didn’t have to sacrifice for TBC or Vanilla, why should we have to sacrifice for wrath?
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I guess it depends on which “pro-RDF” crew you’re speaking to. I know that for myself, I just want to make sure it’s going to be there during the ICC phase - as it was originally. Even if we change Blizzards mind, I don’t think we’ll do so in time for it to be there in Phase 1.
However, the options you linked from a different thread are reasonable to me as well.
Regardless, I just want the game to resemble og wrath as best as it can. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable request.
Maybe but when you were there the 1st time and see how the game is and see where it’s going to lead and and know that this feature could make a lot of other people’s lives not just you better overall than that’s something to stand for.
Especially since the good points far outweigh the bad points and the arguments Against it are very silly Making a 100 people happy when it makes over a 1000 people miserable is not a good Justification for something not to come in I would say the same thing with dual spec in tbc.
Because clearly there wasn’t anything as divisive as this among the player-base. A significant portion of players who helped support the classic project from its conception were holding on to the hope that blizzard would carry on what they deemed ‘classic’ qualities into the future expansions while others wanted authentic point-for-point recreations.
The point should be to replay the version that made the game, not make changes that the devs “think” people want.
No one is going to leave if LFD is in during ICC.
They’re turning the game into a version that’s worse than a buggy pserver.
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