Exactly this, there are VoDs yet no on has linked one showing all these streamers exploiting where only they didn’t get punishment.
Instead deflect with, “Blizzard and streamers are in cahoots, so i don’t need to prove anything. We’re not dumb” 
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YouTube > punkrat > CRITICAL EXPLOIT w/ Layering Severely Affecting The Economy of Classic WoW…
There’s your video evidence of a big streamer exploiting dungeon layers to farm crowd Pummelers. Wonder if Skarm will get the ban?
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Streamer needs their stream, right?
What is the first thing a streamer does when they get banned? (Assuming they aren’t banned from YT and Twitch - which never happens all at once)
Alt account.
The subs of their followers are in the bank, so there is no concern of losing subs down the line, because they already account for losing subs when the streamer gets burned out on WoW.
The notion that Blizzard protects streamers to protect their own bottom line, is false.
So if people start leaving because streamers are “cheating” do we really want those people playing. These people are those that aren’t going to stay in classic regardless. If your going to quit playing a game solely because a few people are “cheating” to gain better rewards for themselves solely, which again, has no impact on the rest of us then go for it. These people that choose to quit for such a ridiculous reason are just looking for a reason because they aren’t enjoying the game. If it wasn’t this they’d say it was about layering, easy content, or whatever else. Let these people leave. We can weed out the good players and the bad lol.
Not necessarily, Earthwurm.
I’ve seen similar to this happen in Diablo 3. Cheating has become pretty rampant in there (The Necro exploit that occurred, botting, etc etc) and I’ve watched quite a few friends that loved the game give up on it because of cheaters. I’ve given up on it. When you join a public game and 2 out of the four players are bots, it’s just not fun to play a multiplayer game anymore.
When the necro exploit hit and all the cheaters had nearly maxed out legendary gems, which mader greater rifts easier so they could run higher greater rifts to get even more XP and bloat paragon levels which can boost your DPS, you would try to join a greater rift and if someone searched your profile and saw you didn’t have legendary gems to nearly the same level or be up in the 3000’s for Paragon in the season you’d be vote kicked out. It got to the point that players were instantly getting kicked out if it was obvious they didn’t use the exploit as their paragon was several thousand levels lower than the cheaters.
Cheating can and will affect gameplay of legitimate players. Some players it’s not direct, some it is very direct. But legitimate players that want a fun and fair playing field to play with others will not stay in a game where cheaters are allowed to dominate in all aspects. When those players start to leave (and they most likely will once their tolerance levels are reached), you’ll have a harder time finding players that aren’t using all the exploits and cheats to play the game.
You can stay if you want, but other people will have their own valid reasons for leaving what would become a cheaters haven if players were left to cheat all they wanted.
They have to stop it before it degenerates or risk losing large portions of the playerbase that came because they wanted to experience old school WoW again, not some exploited hot mess.
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Dang! youre dog gone right. OOOOOFFFF !
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This is not necessarily true. Preach got a 30 day vacation for the XP potion exploit and had his invite to the Creator Summit rescinded.
However, the problem I have with the Esfand situation is this: I am not buying this “it is a vanilla bug” excuse, I am not liking that Lore said “Meh, go ahead, just don’t loot” , they go ahead and loot it anyway and are then ALLOWED to keep the loot, nor am I buying Esfand’s innocent act.
So in his case, yeah I think he is getting a pass. But I don’t believe it is like this in all cases.
A lot of the screaming are band wagoners who are just lighting their torches. In the end, unless the AH on my server (Pagle) becomes affected by all this extra loot, it doesn’t really affect me.
First time I ever heard that, I thought it was Michael…
No, blizzard dosen’t ban those people, they are protected from bans as long as they play ball and do what their told. Plenty of big named streamers have been caught botting and using exploits. Just bliz turns its head and keeps sending them beta invites and items to give out LOL
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If blizzard feels people should be banned then they will get banned.
If they don’t they won’t.
Shut up and play the game or don’t.
Bunch of dry snitches up in here for real.
And I don’t exploit anything my highest char atm is lvl 23.
Grow up it’s a game, who cares if someone made hundred thousand gold oh no whatever shall you do.
An exploit in an MMO effects everybody that plays the game.
We’re part of a community, where individual progression has a purpose almost entirely relative to other players.
I want to be an alchemist, but what if due to exploitation, there are heaps of alchemists that can bury me on the AH? I don’t obtain the same satisfaction from being an alchemist, because its relative importance is diminished.
I’m honestly surprised how you can play a MMO and not understand this.
Do you throw up your hands IRL and say, “Oh man, this guy cheated his taxes, meh doesnt effect me”? I would not think so. The concept of fairness translates perfectly into a virtual game world. We’re still people.
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snitches
Here’s someone who would look the other way and not report a crime because they believe that “snitching” is somehow bad… it’s somehow bad to make sure people face justice…this is what the use of that word implies.
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I would argue that we shouldn’t want people playing who cheat or who make excuses and defend cheaters. What kind of person wants to play a game where the other players think nothing of the rules and routinely seek to undermine and subvert them? The world has gone crazy and it’s not any different in Azeroth.
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Cleared to end of Maura killed princess, layer hopped rinse and repeat… Watched him do it about 5 or 6 times before moving on (I was in the middle of a ps4 game or I would jumped to another channel sooner)
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He uploaded a video to YouTube where he just reset the instance on an alt to reset the dungeon, I didn’t see where he layered hopped, idk
He was streaming live on twitch. I just jumped in and jumped out 20 mins after. What you and I are referencing appears to be two different things
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On the subject of cancer. The streaming community is pure cancer in itself, I mean I’m sure we’ve all seen the brainless spam chat of a streamer with 30k viewers. It really hurts my brain to try and read
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It’s not your job to mete out justice.
Nor is it your job to inform on others unless asked to do so by an authority figure.
Again, it’s a game. Blizzard will ban who they feel warrants a ban.
Hate to break it to you, but unless you are using a fully automated ah addon you’re getting buried anyway.
People are max level in a week. The economy will eventually balance out but won’t be right for a long time regardless of layering exploits or not.
Game wasn’t designed for this many max everything in a week.