Hardware ban When?

Supply vs Demand.

Even without the bots, the prices would drop because have you seen how much of this stuff you get when you max out your skill?

My rogue was getting 4-5 leathers per skin and on regular occasion getting the green and blue quality leathers too. It’s just ridiculous. I go out questing for an hour and get a couple stacks of leather without even trying.

It’s no wonder that the leather is only worth like 1g per on the AH, lol.

And leveling a craft up + not having much TO craft means the demand will be low. I was able to get my blacksmith up relatively easy, within the first few days just from what she mined herself. Now that she’s maxed out her blacksmith skill, I don’t need to craft anything unless one of my alts needs a weapon or plate armor. So I have no need for ore, whatsoever. Same for my skinner, once I max her out… I won’t need skins.

The regular leather is hardly worth anything.

Yes, prices will drop but not at the rate they are.
I have seen a single person post on the AH something like 15K of a single herb. Unless that person spent a few days farming, found a broken spot or was botting/multiboxing it isn’t possible.

You can go to the same place and find multiple multiboxers farming for days.

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Yeah multiboxers are another toxic remnant of vanilla that needs to go away , together with bots are the bane of a healthy economy.
illidan the server i am playing at has one of the worse economy in the region because its plagued with bots .

Nope because the only one who can legally see your computer’s mac address is your ISP and it is very easy to spoof even then.

Warden only checks software.

The multiple druid mobs active in botting that I’ve seen don’t seem to be that interested in gathering herbs or ore, they seem to be doing unlimited amounts of mob kills for raw gold. The ones in Spires of Arak and Highmountain and BfA just go around and around killing fast respawning mobs, which are frequently humanoid and therefore unskinnable. When you have 10 or more of those running and going for hours you can presumably collects a very large amount of gold.

And that gold is used by gold sellers. I assume there are bots collecting herbs and ore and skin, but that happens during every expansion. Bot farmers were still collecting herbs in Tirigarde Sound up until the last days of BfA and may still be doing it now for all I know.

squinty face

Are you telling me, that if Blizz says “hey bro, can we collect your MAC Address to help us combat cheaters?” and I say “Yep” Blizz is breaking the law still? Consent means nothing?

Yep as well as telling you it wouldn’t stop botters as it is easier to spoof a Mac address than it is a phone number or caller ID which can do with a free app!

Oh I agree with you that MAC banning is a waste of time, no question there.

Yeah totally…until that gets spoofed and next think you know you go to log in and randomly your hardware is banned…

i don’t think i’ve ever said “ok boomer” before.

…but this comment has made me want to say it.

MAC addresss isn’t relevant to hwid banning , I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

Plus most games terms of use permit anticheat to gather non personal data such as hardware identifiers. The only time this won’t hold up would be under GDPR in EU possibly.

why would your hardware be banned if you are not breaking any rule ? is this the first online game you play ? hardware bans are a common thing and people saying oh but then a spoofer will solve it for the cheaters , thats just a maybe a spoofer costs money and most of the time spoofers do get leaked , caught etc.

blizzard needs to invest a bit more in their anticheat methods , the problem needs to be pushed as a community initiative maybe as ive being saying make it so if your reports are accurate instead of receiving a thank you email , hell accumulate points for mogs , mounts etc.

They can legally read your ram. Not hard to spot botting software.

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every device plugged into a USB port is identifyable. blizz could easily suspend or ban every account using ‘prohibited’ hardware if they wanted to.

while i don’t think blizz particularly wants a ton of bots operating i seriously doubt they care enough to stop them as long as ppl keep buying their gold from blizz

They could hardware ban but that can be worked around. One could argue that it might still be effective if you make it annoying to work around. Cheaters will always exist sadly.

Btw IP bans are no hardware bans… HW bans go off stuff like the serial ID of your CPU or MAC of the NIC.

Easy to spoof. Serial ID of the CPU and serial of the hard drive is more common i’ve noticed

Both can still be spoofed but the methods are a lot more roundabout which can be detected as well.

exactly and if the spoofer is made in china (usually is) you gotta invest in a good vpn increasing the price of this solution. and still theres a chance for warden to catch the spoofer thus banning the accounts .

i think blizzard just needs to audit the accounts they ban for botting , see who they are sending their gold to , trace the mails to the main account and boom kill the bot from its root their bank mule account.

Ban everyone!! Everyone who logs on? Banned! Everyone who doesn’t? Banned!

Now there is no more botting problem!

what ? your name looks familiar i think ive seeing a druid boting with this name .

evaporate the cloud, and bring back AOL and CompuServe. And dude, just get a Dell… Good luck flattening google, microsoft, and amazon’s bot legion though. And btw the only way to stop a bot is to build a better bot… it’s just a vicious cycle and no one ever really wins… but complaining never hurt anyone besides yourself… its wow gold, unless you’re trying to turn a profit on selling it yourself what does it matter if your “mats” are worth spittle? Go mine btcoins lolololol that’s about on par with how valuable “digital” currency of any kind is… imho its garbage… the idea is there but the principal carries no weight as far as im concerned.