I know numbers can be adjusted, that’s why I’m pushing back against changing this.
I want them to keep HoL as an impactful and scarce spender, that we don’t have to spam building to 5 each time.
I lived through VoJ, I didn’t like it, it felt bad and slow I don’t want a wanne be VoJ Hero spec.
Then play Herald. The rotation is identical, it just adds passive damage. I hate the rotation changes that Hellcaller brings to my Destro, so I paly Diabolist instead, which leaves the rotation the same as it was in DF.
I’ll play both tyvm. Because I happen to like both as they are for what they are.
And they’ll stay as they were intended because there was nothing wrong with how they were intended to begin with.
Answer the question
you’re in the minority then bc most agree that templar is boring
Yes, it is.
In fact, I very much like when we hit the execute threshold of HoW where I can build/spend/build/spend/build spend.
If you are happy with such a simple and mind-numbing rotation then there is nothing to gain from us going back and forth on this anymore as clearly we will never agree. I actually think VANILLA ret had a more interesting and engaging rotation than what it is now.
At the very least, I don’t see why you would be against choice nodes that could potentially make everyone happy. Why did they even have to remove VoJ in the first place? It’s not like anyone was forced to take that talent.
Puzzling you would play retail then since Vanilla is right there.
I don’t give a damn if they would. They can do it if they want to.
I doubt they would because it makes no sense to spent additional time completely reworking how the whole tree works to accommodate a different playstyle.
More busy work in a context where other classes have Hero spec that are very underwhelming and where they have been CLEARLY scrambling for time before AND after the launch.
The bug was way too powerful! I think it would have been better to separate it from the Eye of Tyr and combine it with Grand Crusader.
I said the rotation of ret in vanilla was more interesting and engaging. I didn’t say I like vanilla more than retail. They are not even close to the same statement. Bad strawman there. Vanilla has tons of it own problems, don’t worry.
OMG so powerful!!! But still weaker than Herald somehow!!!
Powerful for protection pally! Eye of tyr + 2x hammer of light… no one survive!
Quebec represent! Wouhou!
30% difference between Herald and Templar, not a smol difference.
Alright so this we can agree on.
As Evialine as stated, Blizz communicated that Hero talents should contribute roughly toward 20-25% of your damage.
Now I don’t know how much Herald is contributing for, if its above or inside those values.
Keep in mind it has 6 talents that affect baseline spell which aren’t easily attributable to it.
But if Templar doesn’t follow the same impact, it needs to be tuned higher if Herald is within the target values.
Or Herald needs to be taken down a notch if it’s above the target value.
Templar has like 2-3 talents that affect the rest of the kit and aren’t easily attributed to it which is much less than herald but their strength varies.
I know Bolas on Wowhead allude to them being close but he doesn’t commit to number which is understandable considering the current void in data and sims being fickle.
It’s not clear whether it sees them close taking into account a full BIS gear character either.
pve its basically the same, pvp is irrelevant to us
and m+ is irrelevant to us, what’s your point
your fun is not more important than mine
Source? I haven’t looked at any sims.
edit: checked my character. My sims are coming out with a few % with herald in the lead. Tried M+ and Raid template build both within 2-3%.
Maybe their is a better build I’m not using that makes the difference huge?
Self test, not the most reputable, it was without the HoL bug while on a ST training dummy wearing pvp gear and all enchants.
Again pvp or pve, cause dummies are bugged and don’t take a lot of things to account
I absolutely 100% agree. I logged on my prot pally today SOOO excited to play again, I had literally been dreaming about this HoL combo and was having such a blast with it. And when I found out I couldn’t do it anymore… I genuinely just logged out. I had not been this excited to play WoW in a long time. And now I just don’t really want to play anymore.
PLEASE REVERT THESE CHANGES.