I do agree here, but I also feel like it’d be sort of silly on Blizz’s part if they didn’t expand on the AR nearly as much as the CR, simply because the outrage would more than likely get a bit overbearing for them. There’s already quite a good number of people I know - including you guys in this thread - that seem to be quite saddened by the lack of lore to many races that really needed to be expanded upon.
Half Elves are one of the races I would say have no potential to be an Allied Race.
They exist as isolated individuals with no culture separate from their parent races.
They only exist as an extension of current High Elf cities and have nothing of their own.
They largest group we’ve ever seen of them is 3. And 2 of those where children.
The only way Half Elves would work is as a customization for High Elves.
Or some sort of time skip where they suddenly have towns and armies. But I want to avoid any time travel or large gaps in the stories unless it’s a major theme.
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I don’t doubt they try to delve into each race’s storylines as much as they can… Tbh a part of me doesn’t mind the amount of lore they dedicate to one patch, or part of the patch, so long as it stays true to the rest of their already current lore with twists if they want. I mostly dislike the retcons that constantly seem to be happening that leave everyone that does RP or like the story so utterly confused as to what goes on anymore.
I personally see it as they give more info for the more amount they dedicate to that one race, but atm even that feels like it’s not very much given the lack of information they do provide, and the wonky writing that has been happening lately where they leave certain things out of retail, but more information is given in PDFs or other outside sources.
But, I also wouldn’t mind smaller doses of lore but for more races alternatively.
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I disagree entirely. Half elves have plenty of potential. If void elves can be pulled from the nether, or the cosmos, with absolutely zero information, and their lore is literally the elven lore they came from in the first place, there’s no reason half-elves, something we know exists and has been stated to exist in high numbers by a major lore figure (given Elisande’s quote) couldn’t also exist.
It’d give a race an opportunity to standalone, be the underdog, and come up from where most purist races in WoW would consider the gutter. I think it’s a fine idea.
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That’s because Blizz hasn’t chosen to involve Half-elf races outside of Kalec and the few rare occasions we saw Arator in Legion, even then it doesn’t delve into any cultural aspects of them as a race because they haven’t chose to show those cultural aspects. Half-elves could create their own culture all they want. They just choose not to write that stuff out.
Again this isn’t true, and I’ve already discussed my opinion on this. Half-elves are their own separate race. They do not belong solely under one or the other, especially since one race or the other race may absolutely look down on the half-breed that exists. I also do not want them to have the Thalassian model given that there’s already plenty of Thalassian models already running around. San’layn, High Elf, Blood elf, and Void elves all use that model. It seems a bit silly to strictly make them use that model and that model alone.
Also because blizzard chooses not to involve half-breeds just yet other than Garona and the small amount we’ve seen with Arator. It also isn’t solely just High elf, as Arator was never in a high elf based city, he was seen in Outlands, and then paladin order hall, then argus. Kalec is also used for Dragon aspects, Dalaran, and whatever other story they choose. Alodi is one of the guardians of Tirisfal… etc.
Not all themes need to be that major to the story and even then they really could if they wanted to.
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And Void Elves have gone virtually nowhere.
I don’t want a repeat of that.
@Kerandina
There are no Half Elf towns, there are no Half Elf armies, there is not Half Elf culture.
They all exist as part High Elf (Or sometimes Human) groups. They are not exiled to distant Islands because they are half breeds and there’s not some half elf breeding program. They are not separate things from their parents.
Until that changes they are either a no go or a potential expansion of High Elf themes.
There was no void elf culture. Void elf culture is blood elf / high elf culture. Half-elf culture would be a combination of human and elf culture. That’s fine.
A problem with Blizzard’s direction going forward. Truthfully, I think void elves should be expanded upon entirely as a focus, as well as the other allied races.
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And that’s why they are shallow and empty.
Which is why they should be expanded upon. Including if it means taking the spot light from another race.
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Once again, I’ll repeat what I’ve said, because blizzard has yet to choose to create that sort of culture but no where does it state that that culture can’t be created. Same goes for any race. None of these races culturally existed until blizzard chose to create these races and expand on their culture. They could do the same with hybrids if they chose to.
Where does it say in order to create a race it needs some sort of breeding program of any sorts? I’ve already discussed why I think the numbers could indeed come about if it was to really be a thing.
Also, they’re not exiled to some sort of distant island, no but that doesn’t make it a requirement for them to establish their own culture if they so choose. It also doesn’t have to be an exiling to somewhere entirely different for them to still be treated like an exile by certain people of their race.
Again, your arguments are based off of current things that aren’t a thing but could very well be a thing if blizzard chose to make it a thing and look into it. Something I’ve asked blizzard to simply think about looking into, as it’d be a cool option to have. And it’d bring more realism to WoW’s population.
Edit: I do agree about the locking system but… I guess in regards to your reply
Yes and no, just because that’s what it took for Mok’Nathal to be their own separate entity doesn’t mean that they can’t become their own separate entity without those requirements. It’s not a rule by any means. Also, the yes and no mostly applies to how Mok’Nathal look. Rexxar has obvious distinct differences from any orc whether it’s Maghar or CR orcs. There are also customization options that they could give Mok’Nathal that the other two don’t have or perhaps even do have but it would clearly look different based off of the distinct differences those two races have with a hybrid orc/ogre race.
Same goes with half-elves. They can very well get options of customization that make them even more distinctly different than they already are. That being that they literally look like a human but with elvish ears and perhaps other traits. That is indeed still a difference.
Development can be both. It needs to be done before they come out yes, but in order to further things there also needs to be afterthoughts to the things they create. A big discussion as to why so many people feel so many races need to be expanded upon. Because there’s no afterthought after the current development process and lore that they established for certain races, i.e. Void elves, a gold mine for story telling.
Edit edit: Sigh… well, there goes yet another day of me wishing my topic be discussed 
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I’m literally quoting Mok’nathal and what it took for them to be their own separate thing.
Otherwise they would just be larger flesh colored part of the orcs.
And I don’t want a repeat of that needing to happen.
Development needs to be done before, not as an afterthought.
Edit; Blizzard needs to do something about this stupid locking system…
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The biggest problem about half elves is that Blizzard only uses them punctually with NPCs.
Arator, Rexxar, Garona Halforc, Giramar and Galadin are shows that these individous exist. What is certain is that they have the cultural heritage of the environment in which they were born and lived!
If they live in human cities, they have human culture!
If they live in elf cities, they have elf culture!
They have the best and the worst of both races!
This is true in part! Half elves have always been present in the game and lore, not invented to be a placebo of another race!
They just were never used for anything!
We could say that they have always been here, but never stood out!
The biggest problem with half elves would be the lore and after the trainwreck that void belves proved to be, it is reasonable to stand up against the appearance of another badly made race, taken from thin air!
Still, half elves do more sense than 40 void belves and would need fewer "narrative stunts" to make sense!
I don’t know if anyone knows Record of Lodoss War, but in him we know Leaf, a half elf!
I know warcraft likes to break MMO paradigms but half elves would even open the chance to create new classes or class specializations!
If something as a Hight Elf ever becomes a “race” (not a skin) then we need Dark Ranger Elf, San’ layn elf, Warden Elf, Night-fallen elf (Runas), Gnome-Elf hybrid, Dwarf-Elf hybrid, Tauren-Elf hybrid, Goblin-Elf hybrid and ofc Panda-Elf hybrid.
Otherwise leave.
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Does a race that has been extracted from thin air have the right to speak against Half elves, who have always been present and have more justification to be debated than that race made to be a high elf placebo?
At least half elves are born and purple blood elves are made by an accident that cannot be reproduced!
And before anyone says there are many blood elves studying void in telogrus, studying void does not make a blood elf a belf void, more than a human studying the arcane a human arcane!
I myself don’t become radioactive from studying nuclear power!
I think the really important part and neat thing about this thread has absolutely nothing to do with even the idea itself, or what Blizzard will eventually (haphazardly) do with it, if anything.
I think the important part is that people are here sharing fun ideas about something in a way that gives new life to an otherwise really… dead world.
The thing that bums me out though is how much we’ve just reached this state where this is… this is as far as it goes.
It doesn’t get made, it doesn’t become real, it doesn’t become something you can experience or enjoy anymore… it just becomes this ridiculous hype, or promise for the future, or some kind of dragon to keep chasing for 14.99 a month plus however much you compulsively dump into their sad gold scheme.
All of these threads devolve into the same sandpiper and clam scenario where the fisherman just swoops in and takes whatever hastily implementable ideas they can grab in their fat little hands as they head back to HQ for the day with some new, “original” ideas to supplement their lofty positions.
It’s beautiful to behold until it’s horrible to witness.
Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
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To add to the discussion I really love how Half-Elves fit into D&D lore and if they were added into WoW they could incorporate some of those aspects. One of the key defining characteristics is that they are both ambitious and have foresight to plan for the long term. Humans are short lived and are ambitious but lack the life spans to have deep wisdom while Elves do have wisdom but due to their longer lives they lack the same drive and tenacity to have an immediate impact with their actions.
I love the idea of Half-Elves being ambitious enough to make their own place in Azeroth.
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A majority of those races don’t exactly constitute as solely races and more like classes and customization options. I.E. Sanlayn literally having a skin colorization option that resembles a dark ranger. A dark ranger being really honestly just an undead elf hunter… Warden just being a class that falls under a night elf, and would more so need a transmog option and the class/spec option underneath perhaps rogue.
Night-fallen again still more or less falling underneath customization option for nightborne specifically since it’s still a nightborne thing. But that customization seems iffy given the storyline of Nightborne at nighthold.
Gnome, dwarf, tauren, goblin, and panda aren’t really something that can’t happen unless blizz opens and says 1. they don’t want those or 2. the chances of their population being a thing is very low do to the procreation chances.
And, honestly it’s not really more so a high elf option or so a half-elf with human rig really… So, 
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I will allow Half-Elves when they bring out the Bard class.