Now you have a redundant systems of checks called the mail log. The only thing you have for gba’s.
GB’s are inherently more secure and more of a theft preventative than the gba system if access levels and set properly. To deny otherwise is foolish.
The also afford the ability to access goods and mats if a real life emergency or other issue occurs with the gba that is storing goods and mats
So, the officer gets away with theft.
I guess in your guild those guild banks really do prevent theft and not actually encourage the long game of small thefts.
Riiiiiight!!!
I’m glad I am not in your guild where officers apparently have blanket permission to steal from the guild bank without worry of repercussion.
I didn’t say it couldn’t be done. In fact I said that is what I will do if real guild banks don’t make it in. I also said that is about as anti- community as you can get.
Except that Blizzard policy is not to get involved with guild bank “thefts”.
That is also ignoring that a ticket must be submitted to ask Blizzard to investigate and I thought yiur claim was that guilkd banks would eliminate tickets pertaining to guild resources. I guess guild banks really Don’t do that, either.
Apparently reading is not your thing this morning.
First sentence,
“Nope because the fault is with with Johnny, he withdrew it or,”
You are also neglecting the fact that all transactions and mailings are logged by blizzard
You are assuming that Blizzard will investigate every little ticket, even though their hands off policy with regards to guild banks has been made pretty clear.
BTW, we’ve come back to having to submit tickets and isn’t eliminating tickets pertaining to guild resources supposed to be something that guild banks would do?
Knowing how guild banks work now and how to set access levels and mange them yes they will inherently lessen tickets.
As will storing your own items on your own characters or a guild using a properly implemented system of guild bank alts, but that doesn’t mesh with your desire to see the non vanilla QOL convenience of guild banks added to classic.
Can’t say I’ve read this entire post, and I agree a guild bank would improve guild resource management.
Unfortunately, it wasn’t in vanilla and as such doesn’t belong in Classic.
luckily they arent making “improvements” just for “improvements” sake. they are staying true to vanilla as much as orcishly possible other than a few things which theyve made allowances for.
seriously guys give it a rest already.
May want to reread the conversation. There’s a lot of key points that are not QoL that give reasons to add them.
Dude I agree with you, it shouldn’t be in classic. Don’t rope me in with OP. I only state that I understand where OP is coming from.
oh i know lol. i was taking your comment and running my own into it lol ![:smiley:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
I think it’s interesting to look at how Blizzard saw guild banks back when they were implemented. Starman was nice enough to post some links in a thread from May of last year (I tried them. One worked and one didn’t.) and they show how Blizzard people were talking about guild banks. Tom Chilton talked about them as a way of getting rid of mule alts and Rob Pardo said one person managing a guild’s inventory was a “logistical pain”.
Neither of those descriptions screams to me that Blizzard was consumed by security concerns. In addition, one could make the argument that both removing the need to log in and out of mule alts as well as easing a logistical pain are nothing more than time savers (Unless one decided to argue that logging in and out is a security risk and if you choose to do that then there are much bigger issues to be addressed than guild banks). Plus, given that Blizz’s stated policy is “Since the Guild Master has full control over who has access to the Guild Bank, we will not assist when a player removes items without the Guild Master’s permission.”, I’d say it falls back on the Guild Master.
Well now see you’re putting the horse in front of the cart. We don’t know if this is a theft yet. Remember the claim in your hypothetical was that it was mailed. What we are dealing with at this point is a ticket about malfunctioning mail.
Now when blizz looks at that log to see if that item was mailed. Then we will know if it was a mail bug or possibly a theft. Now if blizz says you didn’t mail it. Well now that calls into question the that claim. Does it not? All because of a time stamped log. GG. Thank you for proving the point that logs do indeed keep these situations from becoming he said she said.
Not asking blizz to investigate a theft. Asking blizz if there is an issue with mail. What happens when blizz does check that log is another matter entirely. If he mailed it well guess what? He wasn’t lying. If it was received and opened. Yea guess who was lying.
Oh he sent it and it got lost in the mail? Yup. It’s a bug. All because of the logs. Thanks again. Great example.
They added loot trading to reduce work load, guild banks do this.
They made it work in modern client to improve security, guild banks do this
They are likely adding early sharding to reduce server strain, guild banks do this.
The list goes on, if you want more detail on how guild banks do these things and align with the changes they already said they are making feel free to read the thread.
Oh okay ![:smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smile.png?v=6" ":smile:")
guild bank space is very large indeed. i hope you guys arent trying to bring the modern guild bank system to classic. if you arent and want them to code some new limited guild bank into it , too freakin bad.
there will be just as many tickets with guild banks than without them.
you havent proven your case.
Having the tools to perform an “in house” (done by the guild) audit won’t reduce tickets?
It will reduce false ticket for guild bank issues by giving guilds the tools to self audit reliably.
It will reduce tickets from being able to identify who is causing the issues and prevent them from doing so any more.
It will reduce tickets through giving guilds reliable and trustworthy logs to self audit and self govern. Only extreme cases would need a game masters audit.
A handful of stolen items? Solvable in guild in many cases with guild banks.
An entire clean out? One that’s poor permission setup and two a game masters might get brought in at that point. But it’s either going to be an account hacking (which always gets a game masters involved) or a true theft which the game masters could say “he could take it, it’s his” and be done with the ticket. It’s rare they restore items from theft, but if you provide intent, evidence, exc. It’s possible. My guild did it once in cata. Because we had chat logs of the guild master pushing for donations for the last guild tab, then he stole the bank and all the gold. Because we had chat logs showing he wanted the donations for said tab, and what he did after he was removed from GM by a game masters and the next ranked person got it.
It also reduces tickets of “X isn’t playing any more and he’s our guild bank alt, can you transfer the items to Y” because now if someone stops playing the guild bank is still in reach in most cases.
Except that I specifically said that Johnny claims he GAVE that leather to Billy. I said nothing about Johnny having mailed the leather to Billy.
So, WE’RE not talking even remotely about a possible bug in the mail system. We are talking specifically about an issue involving guild resources and posdible theft of those guild resources.
The only time I mentioned mailing an item was when Red brought up time stamps in an effort to obscure the ease with which a guild bank can be abused bybusing an example similar to:
“Was Fred online when Timmy withdrew those items from the guild bank for Fred?”
To which I replied “No, Fred was not online when I withdrew those items. I mailed them to Fred.” This is just an example of how even the timestamp proves nothing other than when the withdrawal took place.