in a perfect world, your right it wasn’t broken
in a massive MMORPG with human beings as the players who are flawed, corrupt, exc? it was very much a broken system.
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So youd like to take out real life aspects of human interaction and replace it with a QoL feature?
If TBC servers exist, you’ll get your Guild Bank. But they have no place in Vanilla, and they won’t be in Classic, so better get ready to deal with it. Just like a million other inconveniences that existed in Vanilla and will be in Classic.
Authenticity is the goal of the game. It’s up to the players to adapt to the experience. So that’s what you guys need to do.
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it doesn’t remove human interaction unless you set it up to do so (which is not a good way to do it as then its a free for all for item theft).
if blizzard had guild banks in classic that ONLY the gm could access but the entire guild could see the logs IN GAME (cant be edited to lie) then I would be fine with that. my issue with guild bank alts has always been how easy they are to use to scam others and virtually never get caught.
a properly set up guild bank doesn’t remove human interaction unless its set up that way which is a bad idea because letting there be an item free for all is bound to get people taking thing to sell for their own gain, instead of the guilds gain. but with the guild bank alt system whoever is in change of that guild bank alt can easily scam the guild out of thousands of gold (which can be turned into RL $$$) and no one would ever know because of the FACT that the out of game kept logs can easily be edited to LIE.
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Im not saying it removes all interaction, im saying it removes variability in interaction. Real world contains theft and deception. Adding guild banks changes how Vanilla guilds work. There is chance that an officer will take stuff without guild banks but this creates drama and drama fuels realms.
so your suggestion is to adapt. and in a system that I know can cheat me and the guild I’m in out of resources for real world $$$ gain for the alt owner, the best solution is to just not give anything to the guild bank alt.
I want to help my guild but I got burned from the guild bank alt system already.
fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
if guild banks aren’t put in I wont be participating in any guild bank alt shenanigans because I’ve already experienced it for the exploitable scam of a system it can be.
but hay, if I must adapt I will, this forum is for discussion on guild banks and how they would effect classic. its not the deciding factor, blizzard is. but then again this forum has turned into a pissing match from both sides at this point with nothing but circles repeated in the discussion.
I’m glad for all of you who didn’t experience the dark side of the guild bank alt system, it wasn’t fun when I went through it and I felt the repercussions of it for months afterword’s. but as someone who did see that dark side, I’m not using that system again.
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Guild banks don’t take out human interaction, the entire guild interacts with the guild bank. And guilds often encourage people to contribute specific items as needed, something which with the guild bank everyone can actually see and participate in.
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if a guild bank alt owner does it right, they get free gold and no one ever knows, so how does it create drama?
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Theft and deception are part of the human interaction. Those two things are removed with guild banks. Read above before posting next time so I don’t need to repeat my post.
When people steal from the bank alt and get caught it creates drama. Do I need to explain everything that happens in Vanilla to you?
Except it doesn’t stop you from stealing or lying.
Guild banks just make it more likely you will get caught.
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More likely. A change in chance of something happening. Goal is to not have any changes at all for the Classic project, not add every QoL feature in retail to accommodate children whom probably never even played anything before Cata.
So leave it easy to scam other people to make real world $$$.
Got it. Ya no.
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There has been 14 discussions made asking for guild banks. In each one, every aspect of how guild banks are “good” for Classic has been dismantled and repeatedly dismantled yet the question still comes up over and over again. At this point there should be a blue post saying that it wont be added so the debate can stop and new debates over things that changed throughout 1.1 and 1.12.1 can be discussed.
The only argument that people can bring up against guild banks that is actually true is that it wasn’t in vanilla. Which noone has actually debated.
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please see the 14th or so reply ITT
inventory management was already trivialized in the sense that anything non soulbound could be sent to an alt. if guild banks let you store soulbound items I would agree its a gameplay change (hi void storage, hope you never find your way in classic because you are a gameplay change). but the moment your near a mailbox inventory management for non soulbound items was NEVER a game mechanic from day ONE of vanilla. this is because a single bank alt could yield you over a hundred slots of inventory room between their bank (no bags bought) and 6 slot bags. why? because the mail system itself could be used to store items. I don’t remember the exact amount but I do know it was over 50 items. that’s over 100 items worth of storage on one bank alt that isn’t even being used to its full potential. so 3 non optimized bank alts gave 300+ of inventory room. are you saying THAT isn’t trivializing inventory management for non soulbound items?
this was already explained though
inventory management applied to open world adventuring and soulbound items, neither of which guild banks change. IN town inventory management was non existent, and where is the only place to access guild banks? IN TOWN. what a concept…
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Yes, adapt, since guild banks won’t be in Classic. It’s amazing how the people asking for an in-game feature from an expansion be added to Vanilla think that it’s the burden of purists to say why it shouldn’t be.
Asking for guild banks is no different from asking for lfd, or lfr, or flying mounts, or dual spec. None of those things existed in Vanilla, and they have no place in Classic. Talking about the benefits is pointless. And irrelevant. Vanilla means Vanilla. It really is that simple. So, again, adapt and deal with it.
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i do agree that inventory management is already trivialized by having regular bank alts; guild bank alts and guild banks just allow people to more easily give stuff that they need to eachother
do you think that they were too easy on at-town inventory management in vanilla? I’d until recently advocated for changes to make inventory management harsher than it was in vanilla, like, in the first place, but now I’m not sure about that
an anti-QoL change
Or maybe guild banks will be in classic, since you know it’s not vanilla. So again adapt and deal with it.
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