Guild Banks Pt. 14

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

Way to completely misrepresent what he posted…lol

[Fesz-cenarius]

Here is another point between guild bank bans and pvp honor bans.

Who is hurt by them?

Guild bank bans hurt the entire guild, when it’s possible only a few were breaking ToS.

Pvp bans only effect the account that was being pvp boosted through account sharing.

So even there your logic is flawed and blizzard would approach it differently. (Which they did because accounts that were guild bank alt shared never seemed to get banned, it’s like blizzard understood why it was done, aka a LACK of a proper system).

But it’s ok you’ll ignore that logic as well.

I mean it’s the difference of “I drove without a driver’s license to get my mom to the ER” vs “I drove without a DL to go to McDonald’s”

Both are breaking the law, but for completely different reasons, and one of them is likely to get people to be much more lenient toward the crime committed.

The guild permitted those players to share accounts.

If the guild is not actively opposing account sharing, then it is passively supporting that account sharing.

Yes, if the individuals who CHOSE to willfully and deliberately share their accounts and get caught, they could get banned. Yes, that could hurt the guild.

Ultimately, though, it was up to the guild to ensure that guild resources were noy put in jeopardy by permitting those who chose to share their accounts to store those guild resources.

As I said in an earlier post, I would instantly remove anyone who was account sharing from my guild, even if that meant sacrificing a few guild resources today in order to secure guild resources in the future.

Accounts didn’t banned for account sharing if it was guild bank alts? Your experience may have been different than mine, but I beg to differ.

I can only speak from what happened on the servers on which I played. I played on a few servers. Most of my time was spent on server A playing alliance. I also had horde characters on server B, as well as other minor characters across a few more servers on which I had some friends with whom I played occasionally.

On server A, the top progression guild had their main tank banned for account sharing for the guild bank. They were left having to scramble to gear up another main tank.

Other guilds on server A and several guilds on server B had players banned for sharing guild bank alts, as well.

I also heard similar stories from my friends on those other servers, but I did not spend enough time on those servers to verify the accuracy of those stories.

None of the guilds in which I was a member supported account sharing and anyone caught sharing accounts was immediately removed from the guild.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

To me, there is zero difference between this, and every single other non-vanilla want. Flying. Transmog. Arena. Boosts. Dual-Spec. The list is virtually endless. Well, no. It does have an ending. It ends at BfA. Everything that’s been asked for is there. And yet, you’re here. Why is that?

Why? Because people ignore what Blizzard has said. Ion literally said they’re not going to apply modern fixes to Classic ‘problems’. It sucks the authenticity from the experience and goes against the very nature of the project. Vanilla means Vanilla. Deal with it.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Why? Because people ignore what Blizzard has said. Ion literally said they’re not going to apply modern fixes to Classic ‘problems’. It sucks the authenticity from the experience and goes against the very nature of the project. Vanilla means Vanilla. Deal with it.

You mean like loot sharing and sharding? Both added to solve certain logistical issues. I don’t see guild banks as any different.

[Daesûl-thrall (Daesûl)]

Sometimes, I think people come here because they honestly want a better experience, but, might not be wholly willing to let go of the handrail.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

I’m sure you don’t see the difference, Starman.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

sharding?

Have they confirmed sharding?

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

I’m sure you don’t see the difference, Starman.

Gentle reminder that people have different opinions.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Have they confirmed sharding?

They announced they’re looking into it, which means they’ll probably use it. The point is, they came up with that, not the community.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

which means they’ll probably use it.

How do you figure?

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

Thousands of people in the same place at the same time. You think that’ll be a great experience?

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

include those with an instant (figure of speech, not literally “instant”) gratification

you reallly do not need to keep copy pasting this honest, i know what you mean now.

I wouldn’t want to be accused of being “inaccurate” with my choice of words

What did I just say? after a point all you are doing by copy pasting that is just spamming, you have made your point clear at this point.

Yes, rewards require effort. How many threads are there on the GD page, though, “asking” that Blizzard redue or remove the effort required to earn those rewards?

So? that has zero to do with what I just said.

“Remove the rep requirements for allied races”

after a certain point adjustments can be made to something that is outdated.

“I’d play the game more if I could skip most of it. Give us flying so I can just fly to that quest objective, drop down and grab/kill it, then mount up and fly away.”

Which isn’t something flight does, you have to land to actually do anything, the quest is the game.

The list goes on and on. All anyone needs to do is to check the GD page to see that.

see what? that people ask for things? Again has zero to do with what I said, people want to define someones ‘effort’ and if it doesn’t measure up to what they think is worthy, then they don’t deserve even a lesser version of a reward or even to dare to step foot in a version of the content that they think that only they are worthy enough to see and get any type of reward.

I suppose it is possible that on numerous occasions during the 14 year lifespan of WoW, Blizzard just happened to independently (and without having read the forums) decide to make the game easier by implementing many of the “changes” requested on the forums.

Try just about every time, the raid changes were all them doing exactly what I said, but they also did that AND maintained the harder levels, believe or not, they actually want people to see and complete raid content.

i suspect that while they do not “design by forums”, many of the changes made over the past 14 years have been, at the very least, influenced by (if not directly attributable to) these forums and the requests that the game be made easier.

Reversing the decision on flight would be the closest you would get honestly, and certainly the most major change that comes to mind.

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

Going by everything they have said on the subject to this point , you should expect to see limited sharding, now what those limits are going to be is what they have not clarified.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

LOL. Using a sharding technology for the launch of the game is definitely the same as actually adding content into the game. Do you think Vanilla banks had guild vaults? So now you’re adding textures. You’re adding models. You’re adding functionality. You’re drastically cutting back on the social interaction of players trading goods and services. You’re detracting from the reputation driven aspect of the experience.

Totally the same as sharding the servers for a few days.

It’s hard to take some posts seriously.

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

Do you think Vanilla banks had guild vaults?

ohh, thats a very good question, i could have sworn the graphic on the wall was there in IF, not sure about SW though, and who banked in Darnassus?

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

The graphics weren’t there, but the game is using the 1.12 data, and the current engine, so it’s very possible to add things easily.

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

honestly they would probably just add an npc for it.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

That’s a good point.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

Going by everything they have said on the subject to this point

That they were looking into it? Doesn’t sound like it’s a for sure thing to me.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Yes, rewards require effort. How many threads are there on the GD page, though, “asking” that Blizzard redue or remove the effort required to earn those rewards?

So? that has zero to do with what I just said.

Those rewards may still require effort, but the continual demands for reducing or removing that effort has everything to do with what I said in that earlier post, though. Those continuing request for the required effort to be reduced or removed highlight that instant gratification, convenience oriented mindset that is so prevalent in reatil.

It’s the mindset that is the problem, IMO.

“Remove the rep requirements for allied races”

after a certain point adjustments can be made to something that is outdated.

IMO, there are some things that should not be adjusted, though.

Even if the rep requirements for allied races were something that could/should be adjusted, those “requests” for the rep requirement to be removed began almost the moment that allied races became available and they continue to this day. That content is still current.

“I’d play the game more if I could skip most of it. Give us flying so I can just fly to that quest objective, drop down and grab/kill it, then mount up and fly away.”

Which isn’t something flight does, you have to land to actually do anything, the quest is the game.

Flight absolutely allows players to skip most of the game.

Yes, they actually have to land, but they skip the vat majority of the quest, such as all those mobs on the way to that quest objective, etc.

The list goes on and on. All anyone needs to do is to check the GD page to see that.

see what? that people ask for things? Again has zero to do with what I said, people want to define someones ‘effort’ and if it doesn’t measure up to what they think is worthy, then they don’t deserve even a lesser version of a reward or even to dare to step foot in a version of the content that they think that only they are worthy enough to see and get any type of reward.

To see the evidence of the mindset that is so prevalent in retail these days.

It seems to me, though, that you and I have a fundamental difference in values and mindsets.

Being from an older generation, I have no problem putting forth the effort to achieve what I want. I also instilled those values in my children.

My children know that if they come to me because they need help, I will provide what help I can, but it will not simply be “given”. They will have to earn that help in some manner. That could be something as simple as cutting my grass for a few weeks, or helping my wife with come housecleaning. It could also be something more involved. The point is that they are willing to earn that help, and don’t just “expect it”.

I have little respect for those with that instant gratification, convenience oriented mindset, though, or those who enable or try to excuse that mindset.

As an example of the damage that mindset can cause, IMO, that mindset is one of the reasons why we have high schools graduating students that cannot read or even do simple math.