Jonny withdrew the leather at 1237am realm time. A time when the guild is near dead and is outside of Jonny’s normal play time for the last 5 months since he became able to withdrawal from the guild bank. In fact Jonny didn’t even talk in guild when he logged in then according to Tom, who normally played until 1am server time and was on that night. The leather never reached Billy in fact Billy hasn’t even logged in for 1 week because of a family vacation, which he won’t be back from for 2 more days, and that’s who Jonny said asked for it.
Hmmm wonder what’s happening. Good thing we have logs with time stamps to help move us an idea of when stuff happened because something here just doesn’t look right. Let’s also note that that leather was deposited by Billy right before he left.
I’m not ignoring any facts. Those responsible for monitoring guild assets did occasionally cook the proverbial books. Yes, logs will allow people to see who takes what.
Correct. And in real life, those measures are substantial. In Warcraft, they are next to nothing… unless you feel a gkick and getting called out on the forums are the worst possible punishments to inflict on a player.
Tell me: Do you think the robbery rate would stay the same if the maximum sentence for robbery was public shaming? It’s not conscience that keeps people on the straight and narrow, it’s consequence. Those determined to take something could not care less about logs or gkicks or what’s said about them on the forums.
You said it yourself, cameras don’t stop a thief. Neither will logs. Neither will permissions. Feel better about gkicking a thief while you’re out there working to replace everything taken from the guild bank. Or don’t feel better as you more likely than not won’t have to do that as gb’s seems highly unlikely to be in the game. And if they are, no problem for me. That’s a bunch of one man guilds to give me more easy storage space.
You failed to answer the question, but that is not surprising. After all, answering the question honestly would show just how little “security” those precious logs actually provide.
Without logs the possibility of any type of punishment goes down substantially, as well as the chances for the thief to repeat the crime and no one becomes the wiser going up by a large amount.
I didn’t fail to answer the question I gave a clear example of how logs can help show you that something is off with Jonny’s claim. Having even a slight bit of logic would have shown you that. Because using the logs as a starting point can help you get more information to find the truth vs someone’s fictional fantasy they put together to convince you they were not the thief.
Why are people engaging or getting sidetracked by nonsense like logs and security?
No changes means no changes. 1.12 isn’t 2.3.
Even if you are dead set on turning Classic into Retail with Less Content, please realize - NO. If you must play Classic, just log into retail once and awhile and put things into and grab them out of your guild bank, change your transmorg whatever, look at your achievement logs, bask in the glory of having all the rpg systems stripped away and how cookie cutter and streamlined and homogenized everything is. Then when you get your fill of all the glorious retail functionality, then just stayed logged in to that and leave us alone.
Johnny withdrew that leather at 3 PM on a Thursday when there were at least a dozen guild members online. Billy has been online every day for the past month.
The Saturday after Johnny withdrew that leather, Billy is suddenly riding a brand new epic mount.
Johnny claims he gave the leather to Billy who had requested it.
Billy claims he neither requested nor received the leather.
I particularly like the part where you lumped Gbanks in with removal of “rpg systems.” Gbanks are more of an RPG system than watching 30 level 1 characters logging in and out of the game in Ironforge as they retrieve Guild resources at raid time.
2.3 is way after 1.12. Its a whole different expansion. Why does Classic being authentic bother you so much? Why are you trying to ruin Classic for everyone so you can get what you want?
If you want all the glorious RP guild banks offer you have retail. Stick with it. No one but a handful of tourists want Classic to be Retail with Less Content.
what they do stop is people editing player kept logs to hid their theft, do they stop all theft? of course not, only thing to do that would be to never donate to a guild bank to begin with.
But it’s all a moot point completely now, all the data for them had been removed, I guess the only way they put all that back in is if the streamer want them :O)
Jesus, you literally just bleat out words. I never said one word about a CE pet. Can you be cool an edgy and spew your nonsense words somewhere other than in my direction please?
I don’t think you know the definition of hyperbole. Or the definition of chronology. Or understand the basis of Classic being Classic and not Classic+the changes they want from TBC and other expansions to cater to people who should stay in retail being cool edgy kids.
Ahh yes, you’re being completely literal when you claim only a handful of “tourists” want any changes. You’re most definitely not exaggerating when you claim that anyone who wants changes is trying to turn “Classic into Retail with Less Content.”
So, me saying Classic would not be Classic if it added major features from patch 2.3 is hyperbole. Got it.
Can you explain how Classic would be an authentic Vanilla experience with it? If you get your guild bank, can I get the arena? Or Jewelcrafting? Or blood elves? Why is your non-vanilla wants more important than mine? Can everyone in the community get all their wants and desires?
Should paladins get a constant pull? Should feral druids have their issues addressed? What about batching? What about achievements? Kids love achievements. Why not add them? Why not transmog? Why not Death Knights, flying mounts, Demon Hunters, etc. Because then it wouldn’t be Classic.
You saying any changes put into Classic turns it into Retail with Less Content is hyperbole. It sure took you a long time to respond after reading those dictionary definitions.
I’m also not even going to respond to you invoking the fabled Slippery slope fallacy.
As soon as you explain how authentic it is with prior knowledge of everything.
None of these are to address a player scam. All of these have direct impact on gameplay. Guild banks do not as gba’s were used for the same function. This is explained in great detail further up the thread.
You say I am using hyperbole, then you claim to have psychic powers and know exactly what I do or don’t do? You edgy kids say the darnedest things.
And if slippery slope is just a fable please explain retail. For someone who defines hyperbole as non-exactly-literal statements, you sure have a hard time of understanding Classic can’t be an authentic vanilla experience and add major features of 2.3 from TBC expansion.
Of course, you will never explain why your non-Classic wish list should be added and mine shouldn’t, or anyone else’s shouldn’t. You’ll just say nonsense cool edgy kid stuff. Please continue.