I’m pretty sure they’ve made up their mind about Gbanks, HD model toggle; etc. They removed the rest of the Gbank assets in one of the recent builds as well as all the HD model skins and skeletons.
You can keep arguing the merits but there’s virtually no chance anything major changes from this point out.
Honestly, at this point, you have 2 major problems.
People want, for the most, an authentic Vanilla experience. Which means a lot of QoL and convenience is out the window, including guild banks.
You realistically can’t trust strangers, no matter how optimistic you are.
I think you’re forgetting that guild banks didn’t actually stop people from being greedy scumbags and siphoning off money or items. A lot of these people didn’t care that there were logs and did it anyway.
There are no optimal solutions, if there is even a solution to be had. There should be no guild banks in Classic, because there were none in Vanilla. But also, you should never blindly trust strangers, no matter how much you think that lack of trustworthiness is a bad thing.
Are you delusional? I didn’t say anything. You said people like us “ruined vanilla” but you have no proof that you actually played vanilla…or BC for that matter.
Done with talking to you about this because you’ve been called out on it.
As for the question itself, I’ve answered it many times. Do a search.
We know guild banks won’t be in at launch.
2 years in at phase 6? That’s another matter.
Guild banks don’t stop people from being scum bags, but they do make it much harder to hide in the long run to prevent a repeat scam. Because the logs will very quickly reveal who took those Arcanine bars, and help establish a pattern to reveal who the their is.
The more reliable facts you have, the harder it is to be led to believe a lie.
You’re not wrong, but guild banks still didn’t exist in Vanilla. Classic+ or TBC content aside, I doubt this is going to change.
Like its been said before, Guild Banks did exist in vanilla, they were alts all the guild officers had access to. Since Blizzard is going to be harsher on guild bank alts now when they weren’t in vanilla, the only case is for them to restore the ability to have guild banks. That, or let each guild have a guild bank alt that they won’t ban.
Before launch no it likely won’t change. A little into classic once people remove the rose colored glasses and get over #nochange? Quite possibly.
You say this like people can’t scroll back just a little and see you ridiculous claim you made and then me reasonably asking you to articulate it. You can’t, so you deflected with nonsense like and edgy cool kid. Now that the deflection nonsense didn’t work, you change tactics and now just make up a fantasy story in your head.
You are making know-nothing bleating little cool edgy kids everywhere look really bad. If you keep this up they are going to kick you out of their club.
That’s not a guild bank. That is an alt bank, controlled solely by an individual.
What other changes will us troglodytes that only think we want Classic because of rose tinted glasses also want once we realize we don’t want what we actually want?
You people aren’t going to stop until Classic is retail.
If anyone could make an actual case against guild banks besides #nochanges maybe people would actually take them more seriously.
This is a nonsense request, because it is literally the whole f’ing point of Classic. Anyone could make the same demand regarding achievements, batching, changing threat mechanics, giving paladins a constant pull, fixing class ability x, adding transmog, adding the arena, looting mechanics, etc, etc, etc.
Either wait and hope for a BC server like me (so I can get a ton of good stuff I want), or go back to retail. Stop trying to make Classic retail.
Seriously, you don;t have to play Classic because its the next “hot” thing. Just stick to the version made for you, that has all the modern functionality and conveniences you could ever want. Classic has to be authentic to be Classic. It bothers you people want Classic and are mature enough to realize everyone has their own list of changes they would like to make Classic better for them and the only reasonable and fair compromise, and the only way to make Classic actually Classic, is to not add 2.3 content to Vanilla.
Stick to the version made for you and doesn’t rely on you banking on we are all wrong in our wants and desire for Classic and will see how right you are about rose tinted glasses. We know what we want. You think you know what we really want. Its ridiculous.
to be honest theres things i think i might want changed in classic.
but then i think, it wouldnt be authentic and would only be some selfish desire of mine that i got put into classic above the other people who had their own selfish desire.
it doesnt make sense to the whole point of the project to do that.
please stop thinking of only yourselves and start thinking about the breath and scope of the project and the whole point of it all guys.
The way I see it, the security argument is one of the weaker arguments in favor of guild banks. Why? Blizzard policy. Blizzard’s stated policy is not to get involved in matters of guild bank theft.
Here is the link:
If Blizzard adheres to their stated policy, the security provided by logs is meaningless as players can only take what they are allowed to withdraw. Also, if one chooses to be of the mind that Blizzard will ignore their own stated policies, then any debate at all is pointless and everything will be done on the whim of whatever Blizzard employee stumbles across it.
As for permissions: While they do keep people from having access to things they aren’t meant to have, they can also keep people from having access they aren’t wanted to have. In other words, a guild member deposits something and the guild master moves it from a tab where everybody can get it to a tab where only a select few can it thereby stealing it without actually stealing it if people follow my meaning.
With regards to the social aspects of guild banks: Yes, asking a GM or other guild member to get something from a GB is interacting, but only in the shallowest sense of the word. Is asking a guildie for something, even if it’s not in the bank, interacting? Sure, in the same way that somebody standing on the bank steps asking for gold is. If you choose to take interaction in the most literal sense of the word, dropping a buff on somebody as you run past is interacting.
The one argument in favor of guild banks I agree with (in fact I made a thread about it a while back) is the fight against hyperinflation.
Quick math (note this is based on figures I could find online): 900G basic flying + mount and 5200G for epic flying + mount. For 1k players, that’s somewhere between 900K and 6.1 MM G not being removed from the economy. Again, it’s way down the road (3 years, 4?, 5?), but it will happen. More players will also eventually be hitting the cap.
Finally, I once proposed putting GBs in at a later time and I was basically met with “There’s no reason to wait. Put them in now.” If they went in at patch 4 or 5, I’d be okay with it. However, I feel they are more of a QoL convenience if included at launch date.
Your ignoring the fact that before guild banks people would take things and just point the blame on others.
And your ignoring the fact that with guild bank logs it gives the players a tool to govern themselves to address the theft correctly instead of the claim game of guild bank alts getting people falsly accused and black listed.
Lastly with guild bank logs you can find the problem and stop the possibility of future theft from the thief because you have e undeniable logs to help prove the truth. Aka the logs stop the scammer from coninuing the scam because it’s no longer a blind scams because people can see it happening, which was much easier to cover up with guild bank alt “logs” which were very easy to edit to like.
But please keep ignoring the fact that being able to identify the problem by finding who the their is and removing his access isnt a form of security. If that was true why do people use video cameras.? They don’t stop a thief, they just help identify him to prevent him from stealing again by being able to pinpoint who the their is and take measures against them as an individual. So again, the logs work like security footage. If those offered no form of security, why do people use them? Here is why, not only to catch a thief, but to better the action to begin with through people knowing they will get caught.
Back to those precious logs that show absolutely NOTHING other than someone who hgad permission withdrew an item from the guild bank. Thatvprecious log shows NOTHING about what happened to that item after it was withdrawn.
Johnny withdrew several stacks of devilsaur leather.
When questioned about the withdrawal, Johnny tells the GM that he gave it to Billy who had asked for it so he could make armor for guild members.
Billy tells the GM he neither requested nor received the leather.
How do those precious logs help prove what really happened?
Because they make it readily visible to everyone in the guild.
Only the Johnny withdrew the leather, which is something that Johnny does not dispute.
Tell us all how those precious logs show what happened to that leather after it was withdrawn.
And you are back to trying to act like logs, time stamps, exc. Do nothing to help find the truth of the situation.
If logs were so unimportant why do investigators bother getting a log of when something happened, when someone left a bar, when someone made a call and from where, exc.
Logs that have facts on them help find truth. The out of game logs that guild bank alts kept we’re opinions at best because they could easily be made to lie. The guild bank logs run by blizzard? Ya good luck hacking into the game to falsify those logs.