All Paladin tier gear are mixed hybrid melee sets until t3. T3 is the only tier healing set. All the rest are designed for dealing damage.
If it’s worse who cares how much worse?
I guess we could have just nuked the titanic and it would have been worse, doesn’t mean the prior situation was anything other than terrible.
lol I don’t know how to work with that analogy.
The degree to how much worse the dps is matters a lot, otherwise only one dps class would be acceptable.
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I think I’m brought to raids because there’s hardly any desirable gear for Cat spec in MC. Less competition for the dozens of rogues and fury warriors. And Leader of the Pack/Faerie Fire.
Biggest mistake I’ve made though, not doing the Gnomer teleporter quest when it was relevant. Apparently there’s long-lasting bug where if you complete an entirely unrelated quest in Searing Gorge it marks the quest to use the teleporter as complete with no way to fix it.
I’ve got to run through Loch Modan, Dun Morogh, and in front of Ironforge just to farm MCP.
There’s also very non-feral friendly fights.
Baron Geddon - Ignite Mana debuff sucks mana while in cat form. Being melee means low dispel priority, gotta powershift hard while you’ve still got mana.
Ragnaros - Having a mana bar in melee range apparently makes terrible things happen. No powershifting allowed.
There’s also a bug with powershifting in general. You can’t just hotkey the special action buttons and shapeshift, otherwise you’re severely punished just for shifting correctly. Apparently Leader of the Pack is removed AFTER the forms, so if you’re halfway competent at powershifting you could only have 50% LotP uptime. you need to make a macro with a line to remove Leader of the Pack before dropping forms.
This is all coming from an average player with no previous Vanilla or Private Server cat experience.
This is true, and feral dps is in the not acceptable category
First off, big difference between cat spec’d and bear spec’d. Ya, bears can tank decently well. For leveling up and 5 mans, cat spec can probably do fine tanking with a little CC help.
At end game, feral will ALWAYS be dominated by competent rogues and dps warriors. The math is insurmountable. So if you care about your spot on the meters, feral will not bring you much joy. On the plus side, optimized raid groups are NO WHERE NEAR needed for any classic content, so itll come down to the individual raid group.
Feral in BGs is pretty meh IMO. I’d either go for a resto hybrid build or just flat out FC build, but that is me. Personally, I consider druid the absolute weakest class in classic. It can perform any role, yes, but its pretty bad at all of them. And no, B Rez is not a game changer.
This is pretty good info here.
I look forward to it.
Wrong.
Sorry, but I judge specs based on the data. If Cat proves to be a decent DPS spec, I’ll consider it one.
There’s no data to support that claim, though, and thinking that in 3 weeks Feral is suddenly going to start doing the same DPS as Fury Warriors is stupid. Nothing becomes available in 3 weeks that wasn’t already available now, and it’s very likely that, of the hundreds of Feral DPS druids recorded, at least a few of them know how to play it properly.
No. 3% crit doesn’t even come close to making up the DPS loss.
No, because they actually do decent damage.
Classic WarcraftLogs. Go look.
Feral Druid is about 60%, on average, of a Fury Warrior’s DPS.
If it were only 5-10% worse, no one would care. That margin of error would easily allow for a Feral to be your top DPS consistently in raids.
I don’t get why everyone is making that big a deal. The MC logs i’ve looked at has average dps at 250-300. Everyone on the forums acts like they are the ones pushing 1k on a fury or 700 on a mage. GTFO. A decent PS shred spec feral that brings consumes can hit 450 easy which will put them just fine on course. Wish we could see how much extra damage 3% crit to 4 other people actually added to the raid dmg as a whole.
Well, I will grant you this: Certainly the devs did not intend for cats to do as much damage as the main melee, and the numbers as of right now are likely close to where they wanted feral to fall in line.
The use of a level 34 weapon and level 45 helm as bis above all raid drops at endgame is fairly obviously the result of dev oversight and probably would have been “fixed” had they been used thus in vanilla. Probably powershifting would have, as well.
I had a look at the top 3 cat parses, and the rotations are not optimal, and it’s fairly obvious that they’re being stingy with pummelers and mana consumes. At the same time though, those probably are the results that 90% of players will see.
I’m just going to say that if I raid and there’s a feral in the raid I hope they’re in my group for that crit aura goodness. 
And also irrelevant, if a feral druid has to work several orders of magnitude harder to achieve the same results as someone playing a different class face rolling there’s a problem.
Wrath got it right, feral had a much more complicated rotation but if you got it right you could do equally well. In other words it really was skill.
We’ll see if someone doing it optimally makes all that much difference, though.
I don’t think it’s going to nearly double their DPS. Hell, the top parses are already powershifting. Maybe they don’t have Wolfshead? Maybe they’re timing it wrong and delaying energy ticks?
These improvements won’t net you a near 100% increase in damage, though. Even if it did, they’d be on par with the average Fury Warrior.
Take that player and put them on a Fury Warrior, and they do 1000+ DPS. /shrug
Well, the fun comes from the challenge of doing something that’s not supposed to be done.
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The purpose is the challenge. Also, this content has been beaten many times over the years by meta teams. Lets do something different, is the purpose I think.
This here.
Yeah, we only have Pserver performance to go from right now. Pservers generally get all the player abilities correct, though (since they’re in the client.) We’ll just have to see if those same folks can hit their 850-1100 numbers in classic.
Uh, no. We have WarcraftLogs. People clearing the content in Classic. That’s not from private servers.
Indeed which is nifty. And very fun when you can succeed at it. Sadly that doesn’t apply to feral.
Can you raid as feral? Yes. Can you casually raid as feral right now this early into release? Probably not. Casual runs are usually done by the core progression team once the current raid tier is on farm status. Since it’s on farm some raiders wont show up for clears (unlikely early on). Those empty spots are usually filled with suboptimal specs and builds.
I’m not really sure if people currently raiding right now should be considered casual.
OK, we have the folks who’ve demonstrated it being done on Pservers, who are not currently represented in Warcraftlogs.
2-3 per boss lol. Just no. They might use 3 charges from 1 MCP if the fight goes over a min. but there is a 30 sec down time when switching to a new MCP