Tactyks made a great video about the current state of Guardian. Really a shame. I hope Blizzard fixes this asap. This is so bad that it requires a hotfix… We got heavily nerfed while they’re trying to make sense of a badly designed talent tree.
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Have you raided with Guardian yet or are you just saying they’re no good?
The changes were supposed to be decent for raids going forward.
How about you let data come in before making off the wall assumptions
they fix one thing with the tree which is pathing and destroy everything that is bear in the process.
why is the rework worse than what we had?
Why are so many vital points and changes not in any patch notes that i can find?
is everything wrong with bear a bug or is the pan to disenchant the bear players like they did Ursoc?
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I’m betting a bit of it will be touched up and moved around in tomorrows morning maintenance
Well they just put out a hotfix. Nothing for Druids.
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Ah okay I wasn’t sure what was going on with the hotfix. Just noticed it was up on the Bnet client (still haven’t had a chance to really play or look into things yet)
I have been raiding this whole time on bear…
Plus people run the same build as they did on launch, except now berserk is one of the worst cds in the game.
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Correct!
Despite what people THINK, it’s not what they balance around.
Just like they don’t balance pvp around BGs or world pvp. It’s balanced around Arenas. Specifically 3s.
If they balanced around M+ rogues, WW and DHs wouldn’t have the track record they have. They balance around Raids, specifically 20mans. Coming from a 10man guild in MoP this was a kick in the pants and destroyed one of the best guilds i played in.
Bear is more raid oriented. My only issues with bear is how they can get insta-gibbed on pull due to low base armor. Once they get rolling, it’s completely fine. Is it weaker than other tanks? Yes. Is it COMPLETELY unviable for all content? No!
I would recommend bug report in-game for any issues ,if you haven’t used it go ahead now and submit all the issues that you came across.(I know submitting on the forum also helps but at this point what are we gonna lose)
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Crazy how almost every developer note referring to class balance in the 10.0.5 notes revolves around adjustments to performance in “dungeon content” or “M+” content.
To say blizzard are strictly balancing around 20 man raids in an era were raiding is taking a backseat in popularity to M+ content is actually a laughable statement especially giving a MoP anecdote to try and prove your point. 2012 xpac btw. Almost all the classes you have mentioned have been targeted by nerfs specifically for M+ in Dragonflight except for WW.
Bear is in a bad spot at high end content. There is 0 reason to bring a Bear into groups over other tanks whether it be M+ content or raid. Especially if you are pugging the odds of you getting picked over a Warrior/Pally/BDK is slim to none despite having more ilvl/ io score/ boss kills.
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I wonder how a certain druid on the fourm think of bear druid now. The one who claims how great bears were 10.0.5 and after 10.0.5 it will even be better and how we are all wrong. Guess he have some explaining to do.
Strictly balancing? No. But when they roll the specs out for new patches and what not, yes.
You can’t balance things right out the door around something that’s infinitely scaling. You can make adjustments later, but they’re initially balanced around Mythic raids
Yeah, I mean, sure when you’re highest key is a 12 SBG I get why you think that. For those of us getting punted to 10% HP to an unavoidable kick in 17 TJS and hoping FR gets us out of the hole before the next melee hit, its very much not.
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REALLY?! I fail to see how guardian durid is balance compare to other tanks since DF launch and the new patch made it worse. Then you have spec like SV hunter and alff lock also is trash compare to other spec. BTW resto shammy is still miles behind other healers same with fire and frost mage. The buff did nothing.
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The fact that they made these changes mid season is pretty much unforgiveable. I have lost any and all respect for the devs working on bear. You don’t do this to players mid season.
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Remember blizzard excuse for runaway OP spec? Thier excuse was “We don’t want to make swapping changes during mid season as it will affect a lot of our players, we like to wait for major changes in between each major patch so the impact doesn’t affect players”
Yup top spec gets to be OP the whole season coz it affect their performace while button barrel gets another kick in the gut to make worse during mid season
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31/#class=Tanks&dataset=95
Middle of the pack (on what they use for balancing)
How dare you key shame me lol this is an alt. I already made keymaster with my prot war I just play bear because I enjoy the feel of it. So why cant you time Azure Vaults over 13? is that a Bear issue or a you issue?
Am i crazy to think maxing out at mythic 13 on Azure Vaults with 401 ilevel is prob a skill thing?
LOL so you are saying HEY I am playing an OP spec like port warrior where I can tank in battle stance and I can have shield block and IP 100% uptime and I have also have spell reflect and I have also have ton of leech and I can generate ton of rage to use on IP and revenge. I have way more tools to use than Guardian druid and I have a much easier time with my port warrior. BUT I play guardian druid as an alt for fun so meh sucks to you all guardian druid main.
Sure seems that way to me.
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Raze hitbox is so frustrating, was unable to hit the giant worm boss in Neltharion’s timewalking with it, and Astra Influence doesn’t work with it. Wish it was just Improved Maul that made maul cleave from primary target and apply debuffs.
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