This is deliberately misrepresenting and distorting what Skruffles actually said and meant.
I have a life outside of the WoW forums. I’ll take as much time as I want to respond - if I choose to respond at all, thank you very much.
Perhaps I’m not writing for you, Tical? Did you ever think of that possibility? This is a public forum, after all. I already know that you’re not going to listen, no matter what I say - that’s practically a given.
That was an invitation to properly collect your thoughts and compile a better answer. You didnt. You make assumptions that he didn’t understand you. You are mistaken.
Tewa ignored me because he continuously takes his frustrations with guardians into resto druid threads. He quite clearly has a grudge with them. He would rather see resto druids burn so that guardians can thrive again, and its absolutely ridiculous, selfish behavior and it “isn’t productive”. So I called him out on it. I told him to stay in his lane, and he did what all cowards do. He hides.
Misinformation
Why is anyone arguing against buffing guardian?
They are confusing people asking them to get their facts straight with negative feedback.
Wait, bears use the dash talent? The one that shifts you out of Bear form? The one that you need to use typhoon in order to setup, this disenabling you from using typhoon as a proper aoe stop? The one that dumps all your rage because you lose all rage when you shift out of Bear form?
…what?
It’s not everyone. It’s two, maybe three people. Who may, or may not be the same person.
Edit: Their motives aren’t really clear. The easiest answer is that they’re just run of the mill trolls, who have chosen Guardian druid threads in particular to inhabit. More speculative answer is that their main is some other tank class, and they’re operating under the belief that if they shout down guardian druid complaint threads, it will increase the chance that guardian druid remains at the bottom, which benefits their main, whatever it is.
Not bears. Feral druids who occasionally play bear in trivial content and think that makes them experts.
Still confused how anyone could read every guide not recommending that talent, then try it out themselves and actually think it’s good lol.
It’s like a warrior talent that removes all armor to run fast for a bit.
Speculation =/= Misinformation. I speculated as to why Guardians have been ignored for over two years. I speculated that the devs might be looking at a complete overhaul in the next expansion (10.0). I speculated that the overhaul could be something like re-merging the specs.
You seem to want to turn this into a petty personal battle. Don’t. If you disagree with someone else’s opinion on an issue, just explain why and keep it to the issues. As an example, I am intrigued by your explanation of how you use Tiger Dash. But once you go to the name calling, it becomes unpleasant reading.
Now on Tiger Dash, I think your main point was that you find the talent to be fun. I think that’s one of the most important perspectives to have regarding improvements for Guardian. And I’m glad that you presented it that way. For me, I found Fae Silence to be fun. I loved being able to tag an annoying caster on the other side of the room and FF him into my death ball. It’s something I’ve been enjoying on the Prot Paladin I’ve been playing lately. I also found the (short lived) Intimidating Roar to be fun. I liked being able to drop it in the pack and just sort of pause everything while my group gets up on top of the battle.
Fun is a very important aspect of my gameplay. As I’ve said, I’m a mediocre player. I’m not so wrapped up in the absolute optimally efficient builds to be the most competitive in the highest levels of content. I like the mid level M+10-15 dungeons. I like the Heroic raids. I like 2 or 3 mask clears. I’d like to see some of those abilities come back (or new one’s introduced) that make my Bear gameplay more fun.
lol got em
Ya’ll are wasting your time arguing with some kid with a lackluster IO and has barely gotten their feet wet in mythic content, much less tanked that content.
Waste of energy.
A lot of that fun comes from the danger of using it. The thrill of pulling it off knowing I risk certain death if I fail is rewarding for me.
Being told I can’t or shouldn’t, knowing full well that I can only bolsters that feeling. Last weeks affix were prime example of this. Pun intended. I was able to pull off using tigers dash more effectively than FC or vortex could have helped me deal with bolster/explo. That’s obviously an unpopular opinion, but I stick by it.
It’s clear to me why the talent is viewed in bad taste. I’m not naive to this. I partly agree. It’s certainly not fair for guardians to be the only tank forced to risk death just to use their utility. But that in itself is the beauty in it. Finding ways to actually do it is fun for me.
I think a more obvious solution would be to make tiger dash work in whatever specialization you choose!
Fast bears!
Fast cats!
Maybe Moonkins could flap really fast!
Resto could be rushed away in a pile of leaves blowing in the wind like Olaf and Gail.
Problem friggen solved, thanks!
Yes, they can.
It’s fun, most importantly, and it offers up some unique practical applications where it can expedite your run considerably.
Boralus as an example.
For the final boss, I used it to close gaps between demos, which can spawn in some pretty inconvenient places, often overlapping eradication. Especially in phase one. Critical to the fight? No. Quicker results than FC or vortex? Yes.
The firing squad after Lockwood, mount up to get close and then run full tilt at them to cancel their barrage of bullets before it even starts. Critical for completion? No. Faster than FC or vortex? Yes.
Kitting urg’roth before his patches spawn and for voidweaver snaps. Possible without tigers? Absolutely. Completely possible with ease! Faster than FC or vortex? Nope.
There’s tons of scenarios in which tigers dash can speed things along with trash quicker than FC or vortex can. Typhoons isn’t even required. The loss of rage and IF stacks is inconsequential, as you have effectively removed yourself from the fight.
It’s FUN!!!
Try it sometime!
This is a game after all.
I am by no means the best player (anymore), as you all love to point out, yet I’m able to clear 15-17+ the past few weeks with ease using tigers. Clearly it’s not as terrible as you’re making it out to be.
That being said… yes, it has it’s flaws and I want sometbing better.
Well said. I like fun abilities. Another fun one was in Siege of Orgrimmar when we could collect the mobs and if we timed it just right, Typhoon them into the big rolling ball. Obviously we can still take Typhoon, but it’s just an example of the types of game play I find fun. Those clever Tiger Dash moves are fun for Tical. It doesn’t have to be the “best” talent empirically for it to be there. It also doesn’t mean it’s the direct cause for our loss of Intimidating Roar. Why not have both options? Make Wild Charge baseline and add Intimidating Roar talent back in. Win win win.
Really? Perhaps Mr. Troll could learn to formulate complete sentences then, as opposed to giving single-word responses that can easily be misinterpreted?
Secondly, Mr. Troll is asking a whole host of questions that have been answered, time and again, in multiple threads on this forum. Perhaps he should read first and ask questions later, so as to not be asking redundant questions?
Also, you seemed to have missed reading this part:
I even bolded the text for you this time. Should be no excuses now.
…,And what about yourself, Mr. Feral? Why are you not “Staying in your lane?” Isn’t that the very definition of hypocrisy?
Stopping distorting what Skruffles was saying. Skruffles was merely speculating. Honestly, I really don’t know why you’ve got your panties in a bunch over this.
Not quite.
Just because you happen to make use of Tiger Dash and consider it to be “Fun” doesn’t make it factually and objectively a good talent by comparison with other talents on the same row, or even comparable with other talents that were removed.
Look. I really am trying to be civil with you, Tical. I don’t have any issue with the fact that you use Tiger Dash and that you find it “Fun.” If you can make it work sometimes, and having a talent that works sometimes is good enough for you, then great - I’m happy for you. Enjoy the game. But don’t come into the community and start saying things like, “I uSe TiGeR dAsH, tHeReFoRe It’S gOoD.” It’s not. It has never been good, precisely because we didn’t need it - something @Dreaux tried to point out to you above.
If Guardian Druids don’t complain about what they consider to sub-par talents, spells, etc. then, again, we’re sending the wrong message to the dev teams. This has nothing to do with you and the fact that you - personally - like using Tiger Dash. Great. Good for you. Have “Fun.” Most Guardian Druids think the talent is trash by comparison with other talents - and that’s not going to change because you like it, nor does your approval of the talent make it factually and objectively good.
Can we please just learn to agree to disagree? This “Arguing” here is fruitless.
Thanks for your time,
Barespanks
Roar and charge both need to be baseline. Stripping them away and then giving them back as talents is just insulting and lazy. While other classes get fun abilities that amplify their spells, We get forced to choose spells we already had. Feels bad.
This is a conversation you should be having with him.
You mean Mr. Druid?
I play resto, feral and guardian.
Feral and guardian took a back seat this expansion, since resto = invites, but I have been putting more effort into them as of late.
Tewa however, is not a resto druid.
So… yeah. Stay in your lane.
Fixed that for you.
I’m not disagreeing that the talent didn’t belong in that row. I’m not disagreeing that roar being removed was bad. I’m not saying that tigers is great and that you’re all wrong. I’m merely saying that it’s not as bad as you’re all suggesting.
Feral charge being on that row is a bigger travesty than tigers fury.
Can we? You clearly can’t let this go.
Move on dude.
Skruffles Has. Why are you speaking for him?
No, I’m pretty sure most people in here are more than able to look at your character and identify you as a resto or feral that dabbled in guardian, and seemingly not until the very end of this expansion.
With corruptions, you could be running the most sub optimal gear, playing like garbage, and still be able to do a 15.
I’m still of the opinion that you are trolling, but if you’re not, it’s very hard to take your opinions seriously about a spec that you very clearly don’t play at any serious level. Maybe if your feedback was “it feels bad or good to play rotation wise”. But your feedback is just “guardian is fine, your problems are imaginary, just got gud”.
Why did you even bring him up in the first place?
First off all, I’m not a fan of people tampering with what I said, not least of all when I whole-heartedly disagree with the resulting misrepresentation. You didn’t “Fix” anything; rather, you deliberately distorted what I said to fit your POV.
For instance, nobody told me not to use Tiger Dash. When I was setting up my talents, I looked at Tiger Dash and thought, “Huh - that looks like trash.” Why? Because we didn’t need it. I didn’t need some “Resident Guardian Druid expert” or some online guide to tell me it wasn’t a good talent - it was painfully obvious. And I’m just a filthy casual! It really isn’t fair to treat it as if the only reason people dislike Tiger Dash is because they were told to dislike it. That’s a fairly insulting insinuation.
On the matter of it being “Bad”: you do realize that this is all relative, right? When compared with other talents, other choices, it comes up as being - relatively - bad. That’s not saying it can’t be used, that’s not saying it can’t be “Fun” even - but, by comparison with other talents, overall it’s just a sub-par talent in the majority of cases. Again: we didn’t need it. Facts are facts.
You keep trying to convince me - no, convince us - that we’re wrong, that’s why.
I’m not speaking for Skruffles. I was defending his right to speculate and not be hounded for it.
Thanks for your time,
Barespanks
Does it even matter at this point?
Iv been feral/guardian/resto main since vanila. Made it to top 18th US before my retirement from raiding. My kids take priority now. I know you’re hell bent on trying to disqualify my opinion based on personal attacks. But, as skruffles suggested, let’s keep this on the topic? K thanks.
I have never said this.
You clearly haven’t been paying attention.