Group finder was never forced on anyone. You could always manually group up. The old fashion way was always there to use.
People used it because it was superior. They did not have to do the classic sales pitch. Example of one of my old ones:
Crazed stab happy rogue looking for long walks thru a dingy dungeon …Please send tells, will stab for food!
I used to have to spam that when my guild was dead and there was no friends on. I had to stay in general chat and use that until I found a group. It was instant to hours. With the Automated system now the computer is looking while your out playing the game, why in the world would I ever want to go back of selling myself on the city corner?
It was never the system. It was the players that made it horrible and it’s the players who can repair it. (Heck with all the “OMG vanilla was better” people going back to their home and not complaining endlessly in every group they get, we might just see kinder LFG runs.)
No it didnt. IF you formed your own group you could easily get groups together. I dont ever remember spending that much time waiting even as a DPS. Plus one would hope you would find some actually friends during all that. Also, they could easily merge servers, give transfers, and ect. You are giving excuses to continue following a failing(literally) formula.
You mean by comparison to you saying it has to be under the exact same conditions you are saying? The “conditions” of wow changed constantly from vanilla to wrath and the game did perfectly fine. Your claim that it cant be done anymore is jsut silly, specially since we know THIS current formula isnt working.
Doubling down on such a system seems much more “meaningless”.
WoW came out when the internet was still a neat thing and to connect with people still felt crazy and interesting. Now we have access to the net anywhere we go. We carry a little computer in our pockets all day.
Now people just want to do things fast so they can get the next thing in life done fast. Talking is lame and would waste time.
Here’s the thing, I have one question if Blizzard did create one or two BfA servers that didn’t have LFD/LFG/LFR:
How would people play on the server(s), would they start over or transfer?
Regardless of the answer, how is that different than now? The people who don’t want to use LFR/LFG/LFD can do so right now and even move to a current server to do so if they want to be surrounded by like-minded people.
You’re asking Blizzard to dedicate resources to something that you can do right now, at this very moment on retail.
Because you didn’t experience it, it must have never happened. Also, they’re never going to do server merges. The closest they’ll do are connected realms.
The game designers create the culture and community based on the tools available. By giving more options to the path of least resistence they are giving you an indication of the most important things in the game, and community and communication, currrently, is being taught as one of the least important.
Most groups barely even talk anymore and that is because of the ecosystem new blizzard has created. Also, back then creating your own party typically went much quicker then spamming for a party. Even as DPS.
Also atm most of you don’t even use the group finder for dungeons at max level. You get 355 from LFD heroics but 400 from warfronts and 370 from wqs. You’re not even using it. 8.2 you will get 430 from WQ why would u even need to do dungeons.
The playerbase didn’t have a taste of group finder then. There were different games on the market, the playerbase is on average older with less time to play games.
You can’t turn back the entire world so yes your claim is meaningless.
Im not saying it didnt happen, but people are taking the worst case scenario’s and trying to pretend it was a normal occurrence in vanilla to wrath. It wasnt.
Says you. Doubling down on this current iteration of Diablo meets WoW is not working. “You think you want it, but you dont” is a really bull viewpoint. You can claim that the group finder tool is too important to lose but you dont actually know that.
Again, you are assuming the tool is too important because the devs have been telling us its too important.
Newsflash: Those 3-4 million people (still an astounding number, by the way) are STILL sitting in Org/Stormwind and/or questing while grinding out LFDs, with no thought put into it or fun being had. I see it constantly. The process of leveling to cap is BORING and meaningless, since it isn’t challenging or fun to get there. People are already doing what you’re saying they aren’t- except they aren’t having fun doing it so they’re rushing as fast as they can. Again, this is not a problem in many other games. It’s not even really a problem with LFG. It’s a problem with the old content being irrelevant with most of the emphasis placed on cap.
The amount of players who haven’t been with this game from the start, and would like a chance to experience what is the vast majority of the game, would surprise you. The amount of players who actually enjoyed the content when it was current and would love to go back to it would also surprise you. You can dismiss these arguments, but don’t be surprised when sub rates drop. What you are advocating for is the worst of both worlds.
Vanilla had a MUCH smaller pool to BFA, did fine. And much of the beginning of BC had less players and did perfectly fine. The amount of people isnt near as important as server health. Lets not pretend blizzard is incapable of improving this. Now they may refuse, but that doesnt mean they couldnt.
I am saying you don’t need it right now but it isn’t causing problems (and no it isn’t) and other people need it and want it so there is no issue.
I am never going to be your friend - you just aren’t the type of person I want to be friends with. If I was forced to join your groups to play this game I would quit.
There’s no way to keep it interesting if you’re doing it for the fifth time.
The content is still there. Stop acting like it is completely inaccessible.
And my assumption is that there are fewer people than you think there are who would be willing to come back.
Vanilla and TBC also had a much smaller number of dungeons and raids. Mkdelta wants to make all dungeons and raids into max level content. There’s a reason Blizz doesn’t add a bunch of new BGs with every expansion.
I dont think he’s asking for you to be his friend I think he’s just saying that a little bit of team work and communication would be nice to experience again. When i first started playing I was a really, really shy player. But when I would ask to join pugs I’d say my "hello"s and my "ok"s.