Group Finder Needs to Go

[Mysterypants-moonrunner (Mysterypants)]

I remember BC dungeon dailies, one heroic took like 2-3 hours to form on low pop servers. Just looking for a Tank or healer.

And if the daily was one of those unpopular dungeons good luck.

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

If you want to do a dungeon interact with others. What’s so great about mindlessly speed clearing dungeons?

I think what you’re missing is that this mentality is already deep set in the player base. Most people don’t have eight hours to dedicate to dungeons or raids a week. They have an hour here or there and need to make best use of their time. Removing LFG tools doesn’t help that it just spams trade chat needlessly and annoys players. The end result is fewer players do dungeons.

I played classic, I think during classic I got only a few dungeons done because it was just such a pain to do. It took me a month to get a group to do my dread steed quest because nobody wanted to do Dire Maul and I had to convince guildies that still didn’t want to do it really but did it so it was done.

[Twibiju-staghelm (Twibiju)]

A lot of live servers are dead or dying. The LF systems need to stay.

Go play Classic and leave the up to date game alone.

[Gaunterr-wyrmrest-accord]

The premade tool finder works good but nobody uses it in low levels, in higher level its only mythic +

[anon16274015]

You remember those experiences. Do you remember the dungeons you ran in WoD or Legion or BFA? Prolly not. Do you even know what gear you’re wearing? Even the game director can repeat most of his vanilla/tbc experiences but I doubt he has any clue who he’s grouped with randomly or what gear he even has on. But he clearly remember Dragon Spine Trophy or getting Scarab Lord.

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

You’re conflating completely independent issues, the gearing and the dungeon finder are not related, ditto AOTC etc. I understand you’re frustrated but removing LFG isn’t going to fix the issue you want to fix. All it will do is drive away more paying customers which will exacerbate the problems you’re seeing. It’s easy to have rose colored glasses for vanilla, but recall that the community that actually did instanced content in vanilla was actually relatively small. That’s why you probably felt more community then than now. The vast majority of the player-base really didn’t do instanced content until WoTLK for a variety of reasons.

Unfortunately if players don’t do content it doesn’t justify spending money creating it, so if blizzard is going to justify money on content then a decent portion of the player-base needs to be able to see it.

Side note:

The only reason I remember that specific dungeon is it was for my mount. I didn’t do dungeons at all in BC because PvE content literally wasn’t worth the investment so I did PvP which was. During classic I don’t actually remember running dungeons, more that I didn’t in general because there wasn’t any point if you weren’t a raider and I wasn’t back then.

[Meritha-thrall (Meritha)]

No, I’ve been around since 2007, the ‘community’ back then was guilds and outsiders. You had to bend a knee. I know this because I had people bending the knee to be in my guild and do content. It wasn’t fun for either party. The community has a toxicity problem that existed long before LFD came around. IN fact LFD made it harder for the most obnoxious of players to lord over server communities by filling roles that were in demand, like tanks. The more decentralised power is, the better.

I think the toxicity is likely what caused the addition of LFD rather than the reverse.

[Arshia-alexstrasza]

I think the toxicity is likely what caused the addition of LFD rather than the reverse.

As in toxicity lead to the LFD not LFD leading to toxicity? A little unclear. If it’s the former, I agree.

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

I think it definitely contributed, the fact that some guilds basically controlled the ability to do some instanced content really hurt the game on some servers.

[Meritha-thrall (Meritha)]

The former. Discounting population issues (which could have been solved with other means), if people had played nice it may not have been needed in the first place.

[anon16274015]

LFD, LFR, random bgs all these things are full of toxicity. If a player in LFD asks for help or where to go they just get kicked. No one even talks or thinks twice. LFD has created so much more toxicity it’s insane.

[Lasin-ravenholdt]

Sure he remembers Scarab Lord because he probably had PTSD from doing it.

[Mkdelta-laughing-skull]

LFD, LFR, random bgs all these things are full of toxicity. If a player in LFD asks for help or where to go they just get kicked.

OK, you have to be exaggerating here.

[Darktalon-antonidas (Darktalon)]

If you can’t handle toxic people… unplug your computer. That arguement is weak because toxic people are everywhere.

I do think blizz should NOT cater to people that want to gate others from content and charge them for carries. There is nothing wrong with a system that automatically creates groups or allows you to make your own. Get with the program please and stop trying to create another system that is a gate for players to jump through to do content. Jesus.

It is so obvious when players ask for this stuff… they have an alternative motive they are trying to complete… which is usually controlling others and making a buck from a game.

If you think getting rid of all the group finder systems will get rid of all toxic people and instantly make everyone nice as pie, then give me some of what you are smoking.

Go play Classic.

[Meritha-thrall (Meritha)]

Community issue, not tool issue. Other games with the exact same tool do not suffer this problem.

[anon88338706]

I definitely would like to see a version of modern WoW without things like dungeon finder and CRZ. We can actually get that if we get enough people to ask Blizzard for Pristine realms.

I think group finder has its merits. There are times when I just want to que up and kill things. I’ve ran into some toxic people with it, and I definitely think it insulates people from from the consequences of being jerks, but in general my experience with it has been positive.

I just really hope we can get some Pristine realms soon that don’t have any kind of CRZ or group finder.

[anon16274015]

I can’t tell you how many times i’ve voted NO to some silly kick but it goes through. There was this hunter who asked for a rez and I was about to rez but they just kicked. There was a guy who said he was new and didn’t know where to go and I was about to explain but then kick. Level a new toon you will see.

[Mkdelta-laughing-skull]

I have been leveling new toons, a warrior and a druid. Never seen, or been the victim of this. Maybe an alliance-side issue. Idk.

[anon16274015]

So my motive for this thread is to charge people for deadmines runs lmao? It’s fun to see people in the world you know and group with them. The content can be EASY. It’s a community that matters.

[Darktalon-antonidas (Darktalon)]

You are wasting your time, none of the group finder features will ever be removed.

Keep trying though…