On Westfall Alliance PVE we have a streamer named _ _ _ _ _ who loves to kill lowbie characters of his own faction in Stormwind by kiting Teremus the Devourer or using Volatile Infection, etc. He does this every day.
I want to know from Blizzard a yes or no answer:
Is it OK for this player to kill lowbie characters of his own faction every day using various game mechanics like kiting Teremus the Devourer to Stormwind or using various infections to kill us?
Again, he does this every day, killing lowbies of his own faction. He streams and makes Youtube videos of his killing us and his fans think it’s hilarious.
I and other players chose a PVE realm for a reason and having a player who usurps the entire purpose of a PVE realm by killing lowbies on his own faction is not acceptable. It’s obvious griefing and he should be made to stop griefing us like this. He has been killing his own faction members in Stormwind every day for months on end.
EDIT: I wanted to add that I have reported him numerous times, the GMs always say he shouldn’t be doing that and they will take care of it, then there he is doing it again the next day. So please tell us your official answer clearly right here for everyone to see.
Just to point this out: The blues here ain’t really here to give an Yes or No to something, in regards to the rules on a given thing. The answer will always fall into “File a ticket to see what a GM says” kind of thing.
File a ticket and have a GM look at it.
Just so you know, that was a daily occurrence in classic and why most Alliance set their home to Ironforge not Stormwind (that and easier to get to Blackrock Mountain) .
As someone that played a hunter back in Classic I used to do this quite often.
Indeed. This was kind of a “feature” of Vanilla. It was annoying but it was also part of the flavor of the game. Ironforge is the place to be, honestly. Closer to the raid locations, easy AH access, and nifty dwarves.
That and I had to teach myself to kite for the Hunter epic quest / UBRS so did a lot of practice by doing this exact same issue the OP is talking about.
Lol. I remember being in groups of hunters and mages kiting Devilsaurs from Un’Coro to Orgrimmar through Xroads and Razor Hill. Getting them up the elevator in 1K Needles took a good bit of coordination.
But the slaughter was magnificent.
I removed his name. I’d still like to know the official stance of Blizzard on this.
I’ve filed numerous tickets and they always say he shouldn’t be doing that but there he is doing it again the next day.
I want to know if this is acceptable behavior in game to kill your own faction members in their capitol city on a regular basis this way. In this case he does it every single day.
Why would the GMs assure me that they will do something about it when they just let him keep doing it every day? That’s not being truthful and it’s not at all helpful.
If the policy is that this is OK, the GMs need to respond along the lines of “Yeah, it sucks that you died, but this is how the game works.”
They don’t respond like that AT ALL though. They respond like it should not be happening and that they will do something about it. These are highly misleading responses by the GMs if the official Blizzard policy is that this is totally acceptable behavior.
Also, that a dragon is kited to the capitol city is not the issue here. I know that it can happen. The issue is one player griefing lowbies on purpose every day using this game mechanic.
To those who say to move to IF, the vast majority of in-person trades take place in Stormwind, one reason being that everyone gathers there constantly for buffs. IF is a ghost town in comparison.
If you want to know their stands, it’d be best to read the rules that Blizzard place for anyone to see. There isn’t a hidden subset of rules that Blizzard has that players has to follow. More to the point, all a Blue can really say is to file a ticket and maybe right-click report. The CS is basically a front desk, not really the judge, jury and executioner in this regard.
Ok, so here’s from the Blizzard In-Game Code of Conduct:
"### Behavior
Behavior that intentionally detracts from others’ enjoyment (such as griefing, throwing, feeding, etc.) is unacceptable. We expect our players to treat each other with respect and promote an enjoyable environment. Acceptable behavior is determined by player reports and Blizzard’s decision, and violating these guidelines will result in account and gameplay restrictions."
He is definitely griefing us on a daily basis using this game mechanic to kill characters of his own faction on a daily basis. If you try to run your lowbie character away from the dragon he will chase you down with the dragon and kill you on purpose. It has happened to me numerous times. Clearly griefing and behavior that “intentionally detracts from others’ enjoyment”.
See, the thing is? While it’s a jerk move, it is allowed within the confines and coding of the game. They’re not hacking or abusing the system. Is it annoying? Yes. Griefing is kind of a nebulous term, so that’s hard to always lean on. But! This is part of that “Classic” experience. It was a huge thing back in the day, rite of passage and all of that.
Again, it doesn’t make it any less of a jerk move, but it is not against the rules by any stretch.
What you’re asking for is something you’re not likely to get. First off, because this forum is one for players to assist other players. It is NOT a forum to expect a response from one of our SFAs. They may chime in, they may not. Customer Support is not Customer Service. You will also very rarely - if ever - get a hardcore definitive answer like you’re seeking. They like to keep things fluid, because every circumstance is different and each issue has to be taken as it comes. There are guidelines to be sure, but yeah. I doubt very honestly that you’re going to get your response.
Plus, Classic is Classic. They really are quite hands-off with a lot of things. You’ve done your part in reporting them. Past that, you have to decide whether it’s more important to be in X spot where you might get murdered, or being somewhere safe if not necessarily the most convenient to you.
Yeah, here’s the thing; you don’t get to make the meaning of a the rule on something. You can bend it to make what you want on a rule. More to the point, I can use that as someone getting loot I wanted, I can call it griefing. Someone killed me in PVP? They’re griefing mean because I can’t get honor to get better gear. Someone beats me to a rare pet? They’re griefing me because the pet could up my DPS or something or another.
My point is this; just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean Blizzard have to bring down the worth of God upon someone at a given notice. No amount of posting here will change that fact.
So you guys don’t even agree that the policy should be clear on this? That makes no sense to me. It would be very easy to clear this all up by simply having GMs respond, at some point in the process, “Sorry, this is how the game works.”
Why shouldn’t they just tell the truth about the policy? Why hide it behind paragraphs of empty words that inspire hope that they will take action?
In other cases they very clearly state their policies. Like Boosting. They say if you get ripped off, we will take action against the booster that scammed you, but we don’t support boosting, so we can’t get your money back. Why is it wrong to ask them to be clear on this policy like they are in others?
Another thing to realize too - while it may be a grievous sin to you? You can only speak about your own personal thoughts and experiences. While trying to dredge up some Blue responses to this issue in the past, I am sitting here right now reading a thread where people are discussing whether they supporting kiting to the major cities or if it’s just a jerk move. I’ll admit, I’m honestly even a bit shocked that there is such support for it. It’s the nostalgia of it, I suppose.
I’m sorry it’s such an issue for you, but that too could possibly be a part why there hasn’t been the action you would like see taken.
If only one or two people out of hundreds are the only ones who are having such a miserable time of it, that may have some bearing on whether or not this person is sanctioned. Though in that vein, please don’t take it as an invitation to try and get people to mass report them. That could be taken as a sort of harassment that could backfire on you unfavorably.
I mean, I think it’s pretty clear for what I’ve seen here and what I have read of the policies. It’s a jerk move, but it’s a jerk move that is made to be allowable within the game. If they were hacking or bugging something out purposefully? That’s something else entirely. While we’ve not seen what you’re explicitly asking for, there have been plenty of Blues saying that essentially “It’s a jerk move, but being a jerk isn’t against the rules.”
Where have Blues said that about kiting Teremus in Classic? Because not a single GM response I have received to my numerous tickets has said anything like that. That’s what is so confusing. The GMs do not in any way, shape, or form suggest that “Sorry, this is the way it is.” in their responses.
Well, there are no GMs here on this forum. So you’re not going to find that explicitly. We have SFAs here, two different things entirely.
This isn’t specifically geared to kiting a boss, but it’s still in the same vein of things with griefing and such.
You are welcome to report people if you feel they’re in violation, but you’re not guaranteed that you’re going to get the actions taken you feel are appropriate. What you do not enjoy does not mean that it’s not enjoyed by all. Bosses have been kited to cities since back in the dark ages of WoW. It is part of the game play, it is almost expected, I dare say. You have some personal measure of responsibility as to what steps you can and will take to remove yourself from the troublesome instance, especially if you see that you’re not going to get the resolution you desire.
All I have ever asked in my tickets is that they stop him from killing his own faction members with the dragon every day in our own capitol city.
Now all I am asking is for their official stance on the subject. Like they have an official stance for other things such as boosting, for instance.
I mean, the GMs literally tell me to file more tickets when this happens to me. They tell me to right click the player’s name and the information is very valuable in their investigations.
So isn’t that a bit misleading if the actual policy is “This is how the game works. Sorry.”? Why not just be honest and upfront with their customers about it?
Here, people respond like this is all obviously allowed. The GMs, however, respond like I was wronged and encourage me to report them more. That’s why I would like some clarification from Blizzard.
You cannot dictate what another player does or doesn’t do. So that would likely be why your tickets have not given you the resolution you wish for. They are allowed to do it within the confines of the game. They are not breaking any rules. It’s annoying to you, yes. But what you want, you’re very likely not going to get since you’re asking them to put a stop to something that has always been allowed. It is not a player purposefully focusing on you to make your life particularly miserable. You’re just there in the wrong place at the wrong time.
To be honest, I’m not too sure what else they might add to this. There really isn’t a rule that prevents players from kiting a mob to a city for the pure enjoyment of watching the mob go to town on others.
If you feel that there should be a specific rule about kiting a mob in Classic, the best thing to do is to post a constructive suggestion in the Classic General Forums with how you feel the rules should be laid out for a situation like this.