If you forgive the date on this, since it’s a snapshot of a post from back in 2006 (at least indicative of policies at the time since we are talking Classic here)
As for Teremus himself? I’m seeing a lot of threads that are doing this not necessarily for the havoc he wrecks, but moreso it’s easier bringing him to the most populated place to burn him down as a way of farming him. So it may not be entirely malicious, but no less annoying.
The official stance?
I believe the devs have already given that to you.
There is no tether on the mob. That is by design.
Classic intentionally mimics the original Classic experience - warts and all. It was not a well polished product back then and is the same now by design.
As Mastadon indicated, Blizzard did eventually take steps to eliminate the problem by implementing tethering of mobs so they return to their start location once they are kited a given distance from it.
However, mob tethering was introduced in a subsequent xpac and was not part of the Classic experience.
If all of you are so very clear on this rule, why are the GMs so misleading? Why don’t they EVER in the entire process say “Sorry, but this is how the game works.”
Extremely misleading and the GMs should start stating this at some point in the reporting process if this actually is the case.
Technically speaking, it’s not a rule. It’s just game play. Not every single type of interaction has rules attached to it as the list would never be complete.
Blizzard tends not to make rules for every single type of interaction as these things are never black and white.
As to the GMs’ replies, if you feel that they should have responded differently, you can always complete the survey that should have been attached to the tickets you created.
Well, seeing as we, the players and the greens here, are unable to see your tickets, can’t really take your word for this. We’re unable to really take what you say, given the fact folks would say what they want, or take things out of contact.
Do you doubt that the GMs responded favorably to my complaint and suggested that I keep reporting this person whenever this happens? Why would I make that up?
If this is as obvious a fact as you guys make it out to be, then why do GMs never, ever mention in their responses to me that this is just an obvious fact of the game, this is how the game works, etc?
As I’ve said, it’s because things are never that black and white.
So then everyone here responding as if this situation is black and white, and that obviously this is acceptable are not entirely accurate then, now are they?
Which is why we’ve suggested putting in a ticket anyway. It’s up to the GMs to determine if action should be taken in any particular situation (not just the one you’ve outlined).
Classic was brought back with very few quality of life upgrades.
It is rough, unpolished, and wild. Just the way the players experienced it back then. Just the way the players wanted it to be.
Tetheri g was not part of Vanilla. This was a regular occurance. Zones. It took skill to kite that far. Tethering became a thing in TBC if I recall properly.
I dont know about you, but if I were as upset as I am perceiving you tk be and I get your ticket I am not going to respond (to be clear not a GM) with Classic yo.
I would try to appease you a little. Massage the answer to make what you do not want to hear sound better. Empathy in writing is a skill. The GMs are great at it.
No one has really said “this is acceptable”. That’s what you’re not understanding.
People here have said that there isn’t a specific rule against what they are doing. It might fall under Zone/Area Disruption, but there is a lot more to that rule beyond “this person is doing something that I don’t like”.
We can’t really speak to what the GM may or may not have said, as we are not privy to that conversation. But based on my experience level in here, these would be my guesses:
2a. The GM didn’t say (from your initial post): “he shouldn’t be doing that and they will take care of it”. They said they will investigate and take appropriate action. Maybe “appropriate action” was no action. Maybe it was a warning, and the other player didn’t take it seriously.
2b. Any encouragement to continue to report could also be to establish a pattern of poor behavior. It could also be that what they were doing the first time was ok, but borderline. Next time, they may cross the line and be actioned.
This is also important to remember. A lot of players view this kind of action as a challenge, and something to accomplish. Your idea of what other players should do, and how they should play the game is irrelevant.
That would depend on the GM. Game experience would be nice, but not required. GMs handle tickets for all of Blizzard’s games, not just WoW, so their game experience could be with another game. Information about tethering and kiting could be considered game hints and they aren’t supposed to give game hints.
I’ll just note that Blizzard did indeed find this type of thing to be unacceptable which is why they implemented tethering in the fist place. This level of kiting can no longer be done on retaile WoW.
The current classic wow’s primary goal was “no changes”. It was fiercely supported by the player base who went ballistic over minor technical changes.
It’s not a matter of blizzard being contradictory. It’s that classic and retail operate under different criteria for actionable behavior.
I’m not 100% that they found it “unacceptable”. Probably “unintended”. I think a greater motivation for the tethering change was to allow people who unintentionally aggroed a mob could easily run and break out of combat.
This, 100%. These differences are what the Classic playerbase wanted, and begged for.
Just to add, I can almost 100% guarantee that the exact terminology the GMs used in your tickets, OP, is “appropriate action.” As in, “Thanks for the report, rest assured that we will take appropriate action.” Sometimes the “appropriate action” is not doing anything to the reported person, because they aren’t breaking any rules.
(I can also almost 100% guarantee that they’re saying something along the lines of, “if you believe anyone is cheating, please don’t hesitate to use the right-click report feature so we can investigate more closely.”)
Plus, we’ve been told here in the past that while Blizzard’s logs are extensive, they can’t see every little move you make after the fact. They’d have to watch the reported person live to ensure they’re not actually breaking any rules (i.e. exploiting bugs, cheating in some other manner), and they’re not going to sit around waiting for it to happen again when they’ve got so many other tickets to handle for literally all BNet games.
(Side note: They can only use their own logs or observations. Outside evidence, even Twitch/Youtube/etc., can be used for context but not as evidence.)
It sucks that you’re running into this daily. The person is definitely a jerk. But at the end of the day, they’re not really breaking any actual rules.
This is frustrating because the streamer in question makes videos and picture collages gloating over all the complaints from people in trade, LFG, and PMs. Picture collages with dozens of players upset with him for killing their characters in town with the dragon. It provides extremely relevant context to the situation, showing that he is an intentional griefer, but the GMs just say they can’t look at it.
I feel if you are being encouraged by multiple GMs to continue to report this issue, you should continue doing so. If that’s what they’re saying, you already have your answer. I agree with others, it seems unusual, but who am I to argue to multiple GMs?
However, if they’re explaining it’s working as intended, or are being more vague (as mentioned above, if you think someone is cheating, report) you should consider no longer ticketing.
I think the others have covered most of this. I’ll just add the following in closing this thread.
Generally speaking, the ability to kite certain NPCs was something that was considered part of Vanilla, and therefore part of Classic. It wasn’t necessarily an intended part, which is why it was later fixed, but the Classic recreation includes several of those issues that many consider part of the “Classic experience”.
So, overall, doing so in Classic is not necessarily something in which our staff would intervene. We absolutely do understand the frustration that this may cause, but our staff has policies that they follow that are specific to Classic.
We still keep an eye out for those situations in which we feel the behavior crosses the line and enters an area in which we could and would step in. We don’t wish to discourage someone from reporting for that reason.