I dunno… 3 schools of magic is pretty important. Also xaryu was doing best vs pika in duels as fire. Definitely won a couple times. Pretty sure fire wi be juuuuuusssstttt fine. Like litteraly all 3 specs right now are doable. Ask affy lock how they feel about frost and arcane lol
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I told many on here if they nerf GP or even take it out replace it with something and my suggestion was Alter Time back to the MoP days. so far I’m happy I think they’re going to be so many ways to set up kills with Alter Time you may see a lot of Bdm in BG’s come Shadowlands. 
P.s How long after launch of Shadowlands will it take for some to start crying that Alter Time needs to be nerf I say 3weeks 
I only play my fire mage occasionally and she’s low ivl, but tanks with over a million hp need a counter. And one that’s not 3 people wailing on home for 5 minutes.
Why do you need alter time back lmao
Firemage does plenty of damage without Gpy; get good.
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Tanks already take 50% more damage from players this patch (in instanced pvp)
You know nothing about mages you just bandwagon jumper trying to get a few up votes.
If alter time is back to the way it was in Mop I will not need GP to kill you.
P.s get good how original bet it took you a long time to come up with that little saying that been used 1000 times.
Gpie is broken. No not unstoppable but mechnically skills like that just shouldnt exist. Even if it fails 90% the 10% cheese isnt okay.
Not that fire mage needs it, they can blow you up in combust.
While I think they should of removed it I’m okay with 15cd as it helps eliminate complete cheesing like lock mage taking turns rotating cc and bolts/gpie when they can get away with it.
However given how reliant fire mage is on so many other systems the spec itself does need help. Just my opinion.
To be honest you should already not need gpy to kill things as a fire mage.
People dont need gpyro to kill things as a fire mage but fire mage mains are delusional and think they will be bad without it. Thats how you know they are a bad fire mage they rely on a broken ability
Maybe in arenas, but in BGs combust gets stolen or dispelled quite often which brings damage down to wet noodle levels. For me at least, the main value of gpyro is backup for precisely that situation so I’m not mostly toothless until Combustion is usable again.
Would love to see Blizz redesign various elements of fire to not be shut down that easily, even if it comes at the cost of reduced burst, but as things are looking the spec is barely changing aside from nerfs and addition of a couple of non-fire niche utility spells.
Yeah but gpie is actually stupid in BGs…You can just stand there casting it in the back line…Like especially large BGs that’s apart of the 10% cheese…Sure in arena you can’t go gpie and spam every match but in epic BGs you can and it’s actually stupid. So no, that’s illustrating the point of why it shouldn’t be around lol.
While I agree that’s the way it looks, honestly that’s how it looks for a lot of specs. Minor to no changes or few nerfs and nothing else. I think soulbinds and such are where we’re going to see a lot of power similar to azerite/corruptions/essences and artifact weapons sadly. I agree it’d be nice to have more improvements on the base class before funneling it all into external systems though. While I do think external systems are “evil need” or we’d end up with 100+ binds I think they’re taking it a bit too far without having core classes feel good on their own.
Yeah, I’m not disputing that gpyro is dumb, especially in BGs. I’m just saying that it’s going to suck to play fire in BGs if gpyro’s nerf/removal is not paired with other adjustments to the spec.
If SL’s borrowed power systems bridge the gap, that’s great, but man it’s scary not being able to see if that’s the case or not.
Yeah, honestly that’s a lot of classes and considering how much time seems to be focused squarely on torghast…
It is a little scary, get the feeling I’ll be seeing a blue post saying “We messed up and spent too much time on torghast so by the time players saw it and we realized it wont work it was too late.”
Hope I’m wrong lol.
I actually have not played my fire mage in 4 or 5 months, so I do not know how there dps is right now. I’m just getting excited we are getting Alter Time back.
I’ll preface this with I do not main fire mage. It is the alt I’m gearing now, last one, but I do main a rogue. Which means I play with mage pretty much. Sure in 2v2 I can go Rogue/Healer but you can also go Rogue/Mage. 3v3 is pretty much RMX. So while I don’t main them I’ve been playing with them nonstop since burning crusade lol.
They don’t need gpie, there’s essentially two builds for fire. The gpie build and the build to fireball and reduce combust. Not saying there’s no possible alteration but these are pretty much the two meta specs right now. So they can kill without it definitely, but with it especially into certain comps it’s…Well very similar to lock. People who don’t know what their talking about just say “lol line it bro”…but what they don’t realize is the mage is playing like the lock, alternating Gpie with poly like a lock alternates with fear and gpie.
You can’t win if you literally are LoS the whole match. Plus with 2 charge shimmer it’s still possible to get it off even in LoS, although risky to blow both charges. Now think of that and combine both…Now you have fear/poly and gpie/chaos bolt alternating and you can see how stupid it can get. Again you can’t run it every match vs every comp or on every map but that degenerate playstyle shouldn’t be thing to begin with.
However PVE side of things fire mage looks worse then PVP. Reality is just with mages control aka poly they’ll always be viable to some extent in pvp. But PVE wise so so so much of the damage is tied to combust windows with bracers, trinkets, and memory of lucid dreams that…It’ll take serious changes for them to even be viable. I know that sounds hyperbole but legit take all that away and fire is trash in PVE. And that’s what’s happening.
While we can’t go every xpac getting new talents and abilities infinitely despite what the “no borrowed power” crowd likes to scream…Blizzard has gone too far to the opposite spectrum where we have base specs actually broken and not functioning without additional systems. In my opinion this is what has caused so many specs to just feel bad playing. As Blizzard has routinely and consistently made getting those systems up an running a slog and chore just to feel like your character is functioning.
I think Gpie is fine personally, 4.5 second cast so usually enough time to respond.
Also, I still don’t have a 120 Mage so I’m hoping this change gets axed along the way and they just leave it alone. It’s in my best interests that Gpie stays “as is”, for my own future/possible usage on a Mage alt. Maybe they could nerf it to 30% of maximum health to tone it down a bit - but don’t put a “cooldown” on it, that just ruins it/makes the ability useless 
The “problem” (in my view), is when you get these bg matches with 3-4 Fire Mages on the enemy team… good luck stopping them all 
In such a scenario with 3, 4, 5 enemy Fire Mages - yes, that’s a rough time indeed.
Eh but it’s effected by haste. Even my 446 ilvl fire mage alt has 3.7 second cast time. And they definitely shouldn’t leave it alone. It’s just not a simple as just line when the same person casting it can also CC you/partner etc etc. But I’m not going to get harping and repeating things already said.
It is? I was always under the impression that it was a “flat” 4.5 seconds
Yeah no it actually scales with haste. Pretty funny popping lust and doing 2.9 gpie’s but not balanced in anyway lol.
Yeah lol guess im clueless 
you don’t need gpy to kill now but you know that already because every1 else knows nothing
damn is it that obvious
oh you’re trying to be ironic; i knew there was a reason u sounded clueless.