Game changing how? Would alliance take over leaderboards? Randoms?
I’m fine with them lowering the ilvl but imagine the complaints if horde get the quest next week.
From the weekly quest to kill 25 horde. Against Overwhelming Odds.
Doesn’t matter I got my 400 piece already!!
oh ty ppl kept bringing up warfronts so I got confused for a second. I still dont think it will be that big of a deal for random bg quers.
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Well, according to some Alliance posters here (not you) Horde had the advantage for having warfronts first (something that swaps)
Look at this sweet ilvl 400 main hand weapon I got from against overwhelming odds.
That was peoples answer to why a 400 was appropriate just for turning warmode on for one faction.
Yeah I heard all of that but you said it’s game changing and I’m curious how you think it will change the game.
Already got my 400 cloak with crit. Who needs haste anyway?
My melee wings hpally does!
Haste/crit/vers
Really? at least with this quest you have to go out and kill 25 other players, warfronts you can just afk near the lumber mill and pretend to chop down trees for 15-20 minutes.
I’ll have you know that the crits you get in pvp will also be reduced by a good margin as well so enjoy that cape.
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Yeah I would have preferred haste but I’m not gonna complain. I’ll take it and enjoy the crits.
I have you know that’s for dps, healers crit just fine!
Oh my jad you dirty shad priest, was disc nerfs too much?
Been shadow forever. I don’t think I even selected talents for my secondary spec. ![:grinning:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/grinning.png?v=6" ":grinning:")
Well the rogues correct, crit is half value in pvp.
Unless of course you rely on procs from crit for damage.
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You don’t think getting heroic gear is game changing? Those same people will complain about rewards down the line because everything they get will be lower ilvl, for easy warmode… and yes, I feel the same about warfronts.
I doubt it too, but sometimes a protest is worth it just to make a statement.
As for the PVE balance, a pretty small percentage is playing at that level. I guess I’ll just chalk all this up to Blizzard’s mysterious interest in diminishing the feelings of reward and success for hard work. Why bother pushing something difficult when you can just win the Titanforge lottery or get a piece of charity gear.
Turning off warmode in the hopes that the bonuses will flip probably wont work. At most you guys would have a few minutes of the bonus before the larger horder pop swarms it and floods the WM shards.
Dont know if this is accurate but someone claimed it was stated (didnt bother asking sources so correct this if it is untrue) that alliance barely made up 20-25% of the overall WM population. Horde would have to get below that number in active WM users and keep it there for them to get bonuses.
The whole thing’s a pretty big slap in the face and I don’t know how I feel or what to do, other than it feels lousy. I won’t argue that Alliance needed a little incentive but heroic raid gear is a bit much. Especially when Ion literally just said in the QnA that he wants heroic raiding to feel challenging and rewarding.
I get that the vast majority of mythic raiders are Horde but that’s a pretty small percentage of the population. And they are the only Horde who can arbitrarily just farm for Heroic loot. Most everyone else is still on normal (385).
Or just go Alliance and sit AFK at a flight path spamming AOE’s, and then queue for the Warfront and sit AFK in the base. Nice work in making something feel rewarding Ion.
And the sad thing is you guys could have always been like this in WPVP, you clearly had the numbers.
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The gear is already being changed to 385, and do you not think it was a slap in the face for alliance? We werent able to do azerite quests in WM because of the horde swarm so they got 10% more per WQ built up before alliance could, got first round on WF with no ilvl cap so could afk in there and gear multiple alts, etc etc.
What is happening is the same extreme but in the other direction and horde are mad for having to deal with the same type of things ally did. I apologize if I feel no sympathy when all ally were told was turn off warmode but then horde had no one to kill so we started getting incentives so you guys would stop making posts about it.
And the numbers are an illusion, Ally is still under represented in WM or the bonus would have swapped. What you are seeing is the busted sharding that ally had to deal with.
One 400 piece, not huge. If they kept it like that every week, yea it would be way more extreme. Not sure how anyone could even argue for this.
exactly but even then it isnt like we would be raid ready geared on an alt from it anytime soon even if it did stay 400. 385 is fine it is just frustrating seeing horde players say the same things ally were and treating it like it is a new argument.