Good luck getting a new series GPU

[Naggar-aerie-peak]

If I come up with a more fitting example I will let you know.

But I am sure we both get what I am saying.

Scalping truly is an issue created mainly by the victims themselves not having control and the lack of legislation to go after scalping online

[Azathoth-kalecgos]

I’m puzzled how anyone could confuse those two things but somehow he managed to.

Just going by the OP’s picture, you had 43 people bidding well over $8000. I picture someone getting angry yet still paying instead of getting mad at themselves for being the one paying.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Naggar-aerie-peak

Scalping truly is an issue created mainly by the victims themselves not having control and the lack of legislation to go after scalping online

I think a better, more apt comparison would be someone buying up all the thorium on the AH and reposting it at 10x the price. Just because he has multiple gold capped toons and wants to make even more gold.

@Azathoth-kalecgos

Just going by the OP’s picture, you had 43 people bidding well over $8000. I picture someone getting angry yet still paying instead of getting mad at themselves for being the one paying.

You think scalpers are not going to resort to bidding up their own listing to create the illusion of demand ?

[Forums-skeram]

@Raiimir-stormrage

Scalpers are not “just buying something on their own”, they’re massively picking up all the stock and creating an artificial scarcity. There’s quite the distinction in a typical asset acquisition than later on appreciates in value, vs buying up all the available stock to create a situation where you have a monopoly on the ressources.

When you defend scalping, you’re essentially defending monopolists abusing their ressources to diminish availability to others.

But I’m guessing that’s a bit over your head.

Nobody here is defending scalpers. You’re somehow confusing objectivity with defense. I guess I can’t blame you entirely. In my line of work, I sometimes hear “how can you take his/her side?” when the opposition just did not follow protocol.

@Naggar-aerie-peak

If I come up with a more fitting example I will let you know.

But I am sure we both get what I am saying.

Scalping truly is an issue created mainly by the victims themselves not having control and the lack of legislation to go after scalping online

I personally never said I didn’t think it wasn’t crappy but that’s just an opinion. Several things I’ve wanted fell victim to this behavior. I didn’t pay them. I just waited it out. I missed out on NT Mini, NES classic, SNES classic and ended up getting one myself without paying inflated prices. Though it was funny when my sister-in-law bragged about getting a NES classic (payed triple the price) and a month later, I got one for normal.

Point being that I didn’t go off, pay triple the price then complain about paying triple the price.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Forums-skeram

I seriously don’t understand how you can so clearly confuse objectivity with defending.

Because it’s not objective to pretend :

@Forums-skeram

Scalpers are just buying something on their own and selling it for a higher price

When they in fact are :

@Raiimir-stormrage

massively picking up all the stock and creating an artificial scarcity. There’s quite the distinction in a typical asset acquisition than later on appreciates in value, vs buying up all the available stock to create a situation where you have a monopoly on the ressources.

When you defend scalping, you’re essentially defending monopolists abusing their ressources to diminish availability to others.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Azathoth-kalecgos

And if someone continues to bid, that’s their own fault.

“She shouldn’t have been wearing that skimpy dress”. Victims of Fraud are victims because they don’t realise they’re being defrauded.

@Azathoth-kalecgos

I think he’s trolling at this point.

When did “trolling” come to mean “Disagreement” ? Did I miss the memo somewhere ?

My god you people can’t tolerate any kind of disagreement to your victim blaming and just think we’re yanking your chain somehow, when in fact, all we’re doing is trying to rationnally explain to you why Scalping is bad.

@Forums-skeram

My friend, you are so beyond confused. I don’t know how else to help you.

You’re the one that seems to be confused as to how scalpers operate.

There’s a reason we prosecute them in emergency situations with commodity goods. The practice is bad, and we barely tolerate it in the normal course of market economics, but they are indeed market disruptors.

[Forums-skeram]

@Raiimir-stormrage

You guys sure have a strange way have of liking them.

@Raiimir-stormrage

This is actual trolling.

Like the literal definition of trolling. A post, merely to draw a reaction.

Just saying

In all seriousness, you don’t seem like an unintelligent fellow. And while you can do with it as you please, I leave you with 1 piece of advice. Objectivity does not mean you’re taking someone/something’s side. It just means you’re looking at the big picture and taking all facts into consideration.

In my line of work, I deal with “scummy” people doing “scummy” things all the time but I cannot let my personal feelings have anything to do with the outcome. It’s just like a court system. They’re (supposed to be) objective. It doesn’t matter if the judge doesn’t personally like what you were doing. If you were not breaking the law, you will go free.

[Naggar-aerie-peak]

@Raiimir-stormrage

@Naggar-aerie-peak

Scalping truly is an issue created mainly by the victims themselves not having control and the lack of legislation to go after scalping online

I think a better, more apt comparison would be someone buying up all the thorium on the AH and reposting it at 10x the price. Just because he has multiple gold capped toons and wants to make even more gold.

With the difference that we cannot travel around to mine our own GPU

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Forums-skeram

No it isn’t.

18 U.S. Code § 1801 - Video voyeurism

@Forums-skeram

You’re just not getting it.

I’m getting that you might get away with it legally because you did not violate the letter of the law, but the practice is still morally and ethically questionnable at best and might be against the spirit of the law.

@Azathoth-kalecgos

Please stop feeding the troll.

Good point, I should stop feeding this obvious troll.

[Forums-skeram]

@Raiimir-stormrage

I’m getting that you might get away with it legally because you did not violate the letter of the law, but the practice is still morally and ethically questionnable at best and might be against the spirit of the law.

So you are getting it.

[Mordrid-mankrik]

Are you guys still bickering? What a productive use of time.

[Smartdeath-lightbringer]

But I play on high graphics.

Your attempt at being an edgelord has failed miserably.

[Forums-skeram]

The audacity of people having a conversation on a forum.

@Smartdeath-lightbringer

But I play on high graphics.

Your attempt at being an edgelord has failed miserably.

He tried the same thing with me. I play on high settings and he assumed I played on 800x600. If I understood, he has the same graphics card I do but doesn’t seem to get good performance out of it.

If that’s the case, I can see why he would be so eager to get the newest/greatest and be so upset that scalpers are making it so he has to pay thousands to do so.

It seems like there is an issue with system optimization or another piece of hardware in his setup is holding it back.

[Smartdeath-lightbringer]

@Forums-skeram

It seems like there is an issue with system optimization

nail on the head.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Smartdeath-lightbringer

nail on the head.

My system is fine. I used to play at 1440p, now I play in 4K. I can get 100+ fps in Ironforge too.

When mobs are around, spells are flying on N’zoth, it dips to around 60.

This is on a GTX 1080.

I notice you lack any mention of what resolution you’re running the game at. I mean, I can run on Ultra, 400+ fps, completely bus io bound too if I run the game at 320x200.

You guys are frankly exagerating the performance you’re squeezing out of 1080s. nVidia’s own Geforce Experience doesn’t even optimize WoW to max settings for GTX 1080s at 4K. And neither does it at 2K.

[Forums-skeram]

WoW is always an odd duck. Before 8.3, I got 40-144 fps, now I get 90-144.

There is no exaggerating, some systems are just better optimized than others. As I said, I knew a guy who had a better card than me and got much lower performance than I did. He swore to God that his system was perfectly fine.

shrug

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Forums-skeram

WoW is always an odd duck.

Because WoW is mostly not GPU bound.

Nor can you really sustain 144 fps in it, outside of old areas with no other players around.

@Forums-skeram

There is no exaggerating,

Yes, saying you can sustain 144 fps in a raid on ultra at 4K resolution is a massive exageration. Even at 1080p it is an exageration.

@Forums-skeram

He swore to God that his system was perfectly fine.

I’ve been building gaming PCs for nearly 25 years. My first 3D accelerator was a Diamond Monster 3D. This isn’t my first rodeo.

[Forums-skeram]

@Raiimir-stormrage

Because WoW is mostly not GPU bound.

Nor can you really sustain 144 fps in it, outside of old areas with no other players around.

I don’t think anybody claimed they could in this game.

@Raiimir-stormrage

I’ve been building gaming PCs for nearly 25 years. My first 3D accelerator was a Diamond Monster 3D. This isn’t my first rodeo.

In my line of work, I’ve met people who’ve done their jobs for 40+ years and were no good at it. Not implying you’re no good, just saying that doesn’t mean a lot.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Forums-skeram

I don’t think anybody claimed they could in this game.

Ah I see now you’re walking things back a bit. Finally realising you can’t back your boast.

@Forums-skeram

In my line of work, I’ve met people who’ve done their jobs for 40+ years and were no good at it.

In my line of work, being good around computers is a must. I’m literally in IT. Guess why I got into IT in the first place.

[Forums-skeram]

@Raiimir-stormrage

Ah I see now you’re walking things back a bit. Finally realising you can’t back your boast.

No? Not sure how you made that distinction. You were talking about Doom, now you’re talking about WoW. Don’t move the goalposts, friend.

@Raiimir-stormrage

In my line of work, being good around computers is a must. I’m literally in IT. Guess why I got into IT in the first place.

In the years I’ve worked for my company, half the IT guys who went to school for it sucked at it. I had to teach the last one what trusted sites were.