dual spec still not in TBC? sucks. i would totally swap specs to tank or DPS.
Anyone who thinks āIām an elite, not a mere casualā deserves mockery and nothing more.
Itās frustrating that this is the response from 99% of the people that are for dual spec, but they donāt acknowledge the actual argument against adding dual spec. Itās really not just people saying #nochange or whateverā¦ Itās people legitimately stating why they donāt want it added into the game, and how itās detrimental, and getting brushed off by people saying āthese stupid nochangers are madā
You canāt just sweep other peopleās valid points under the rug in order to strengthen your own argument. I rarely see someone just say ānopeā¦ no changesā (unironically) when talking about this subject.
Personally, I agree that the game was much better before dual spec was added. The dual spec was Blizzardās first exploration into making a game where all classes can do everything, and taking away the role playing aspects of the game.
I said this in another thread on the topic, but if I choose to play the role of a tank, I go into it knowing that I donāt get to destroy mobs when Iām by myself, but I do get to protect my party. There are actual impacts from our decision on which role to choose. I canāt just swap over to my other role instantly and say āYay, now I get to do it all!ā I have an actual identity with my character, unlike how it turns out to be in later expansions.
Obviously, thatās just my argument against adding it. As shown above other people have their own legitimate arguments that shouldnāt just be brushed off.
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The WotLK cross-realm dungeon finder and need/greed loot was a hot mess, agreed. Sorry you had such a bad time on the boots. I usually could find enough friends and/or guildies for heroics so I didnāt run very many true random pugs.
In the real TBC, I remember people calling out loot ninjas in Shattrath after bad problems in heroics. There was one guy who actually had to leave the server because nobody would play with him. I was on an RP server with a pretty good community so that may have been the difference.
If you enjoy that, more power to you. But thats poor game design from an outdated design philosophy. Weāre in general not the same players as we were in 2004. not all of the standards from then hold up now. Again, you may enjoy that, but players in general donāt. if they did, it never would have been changed in the first place.
Dont get me wrong, i love wow and have been enjoying tbc a ton, but i dont have the think everything about the game is good, and when weāve committed to #somechanges to make the game more playable, yes, a ton of people are going to lobby for dual spec.
But did you actually play a prot warrior? Dual spec isnāt a big deal for druids or pallies. Feral druids just shapeshift to cat, and prot pallies are fine AoE soloing.
Only prot warriors and healers have terrible DPS for soloing. Youāre arguing that a game mechanic specifically punishing 5 of 27 specs is āmeaningfulā. Itās not. If it were āmeaningfulā ALL 9 classes - all players - would have to make a choice between soloing and raiding specs.
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I canāt stress enough that people who want to shut down the majority of other playerās wishes for DS are simply just that uhhā¦ātype of personā and should find themselves on all of your ignore lists, keep the threads going, ignore the elitist haters, zug zug.
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Lazy Spec ahem Dual Spec will inflate AH prices so badly that the economy will crumble upon itself within 3 weeks.
Option A: Farm for gold for spec swapping, a solid 20 minutes out of your life.
Option B: Farm for literally any material youāll ever need because it will be more expensive than spec swapping to get it.
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Yep, I donāt have that mentality either, thereās plenty of things I would be for changing. This particular discussion isnāt about somechanges/nochanges, itās only about dual spec. And I donāt think broad statements speaking for the rest of the player base are ever really a good idea. Maybe when the idea of dual spec was first introduced, the āplayers in general donātā statement was true? I donāt really know, it was so long ago, and no-one, including myself, can speak for what the majority was thinking or are thinking, we can only state our opinions.
As evident by the fact that classic was even re-introduced in the first place, people change their minds a lot. Even if we were to go back in time and snapshot everyoneās opinions, they may not remain the same seeing as how players have lived in the timeline that the change was introduced into the game, and may have not liked some of the repercussions. In the end though, itās all just I have this opinion, and you have that opinion, and saying āeveryone agrees with meā isnāt ever really true.
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Iām fine with dual spec if it automatically took 50g every time you clicked the button change spec button
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Not gonna lie, wouldnāt mind it right now.
You donāt even need to be a tank class let alone spec to tank leveling dungeons.
Weāve used rogues, shamans, and hunter pets in classic in leveling dungeons.
Leveling dungeons took more the approach of a D&D encounter where as long as everyone isnāt in cloth and you have a healer youāll be ok.
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Do we need to have āthe talkā about trolls again young man???
The fact that you object to the way things are now, proves that choice-consequences are NOT meaningless. If it really were meaningless, you wouldnāt be an advocate for change! I do agree with you from the previous thread that consequences are not permanent, but if thatās the case then to my simpleton brain this really comes down to ease or cost in terms of QoL. But this is why I said that the desire by some for authenticity of the original release is more of a factor for me than it seems to be for youā¦and thatās perfectly OK, but for the love of all creatures great and small give up on the āeveryone is a trollā schtick on this, because thatās simply not the case.
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they absolutely do. which is why #somechanges is a thing and people are askin gfor dual spec in tbc, and all f the changes in general weāve gotten. they realized archaic game design we tolerated then isnt fun now.
Thereās that āthey are thinking so and soā statement again. Sorry, I really donāt mean to be rude and keep calling you out on that, and I realize itās not furthering the conversation at all, itās just something that really irks me when people try to state what the majority think and feel in order to strengthen their argument. We can only state our own opinions, not other peopleās.
The other frustrating part is, you know that most of the people who are perfectly fine with the game as it is currently will say nothing. Theyāll just play the game, because they have no reason to post āhey, I like so and so about the gameā haha. Thatās kind of the reason Blizzard canāt just use the forums or create a poll on the forums to determine what should and shouldnāt change.
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no, its not the majority of the playerbase as a whole, but the desire is there.
More than the people iāve seen advocating against it. And the people who havent answered just cant be counted as itās unclear if they would be for or against it.
Reducing respec costs and dual spec are all things they have tried in the past. None of them are ideal. Iād prefer a system that lets you āUnlockā a feature to save a spec to recall it at a trainer and pay a flat fee to change to that spec. Then they could allow you to pay to āUnlockā 3-5 specs to store and swap between when you want to change from Tank, to DPS, DPS to heals or to a PVP spec. I can see most classes wanting at least three, and some as many as 5. Since you have to visit a trainer to ārespecā, itās not like it impact game play, it just makes it easier for people to enjoy more phases of the game with a primary class they want to play. For me, the biggest advantage is not having to click on 61 selections to respec! That is such a pain and the main reason I avoid it. I always worry Iāll get one wrong by accident, and have to do its ll over again.
Just my thoughts on how this could be a great Quality of Life improvement, give us the ability to have more tanks, healers and people who PVP as opposed to people having their āTank Spec characterā their āPVE DPS Spec characterā and āPVP spec characterā all of the same class so they donāt have to respec to enjoy each role.
I remember running HoR and seeing someone (A hunter I think) roll need on Shriveled Heart. When he won it we asked why, he said for his vendor spec. Good times.
No you donāt, and I never said you did. I said it made the run a bit smoother so you were more desirable. If a Prot specced Warr and Arms specced Warr both asked to tank your dungeon which would you pick?
So have I. Whats your point?
The same can be said about many dungeons/raids in retail when it comes to your ilvl. Yet how often do you see groups asking for ilvl way above the content they are running? Welcome to the 2021 WoW community.
Fun is a subjective term. Iāve been looking through the forums the last few days. Threads asking for group finder, lfr, dual spec, buffs to classes/specs, the list goes on. Theres a game that has all of these things your looking for, its called Shadowlands. Its even getting a content update in ~1 month I hear.
Yeah, the new content literally just launched. Its almost like they are all playing it rather than coming to the forums to QQ and ask for changes to something that literally just launched.
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