Gilgoblin vs Vulpera

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Lately people are arguing about if the Vulpera or the Gilgoblin should be the goblin allied race. For once, this is a arguing that have the potential to be funny and not making people hating the other side.

But to stay civilised, i think that Vulpera fan should stop talking like if being for Gilgoblin is stupid and say why they would prefer Vulpera instead.

I mean right now all the allied race are the same race as their original race. Tauren get tauren,elf get elf,Draenei get draenei, orc get orc, dwarf get dwarf, troll get troll and human get human.

So i ask the question: why would thinking that goblin would get goblin and not fox people is unlikely? You may prefer one over a other but as right now it could be one or the other. So why are people keep pulling down the Gigoblin fan? Is it because they know that it could be a thing and fear that blizzard listen to them?

As for me i would go for the gilgoblin. I am not against the Vulpera but the allied race are kind of subrace and every race should get one. People keep saying that they shouldn’t get one because they are not popular but i disagree, everyone should get something, otherwise only elf would get new allied race.

I dont mind that the Vulpera become a allied race but not as a goblin allied race. They are their own race with their own fantasy. Goblin fan also deserve a ‘‘subrace’’ like the other race.

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For all of the arguments we Vulpera could be an allied race, there are some very compelling ones for why Gilblin could likely be one too. It just bugs me when people say that nobody save for a few people or something actually want them cause I know there are many who would love them as an AR. They have been discussed in the goblin discord for a while.

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Once again, the majority don’t say this, and it’s being blown up and dramatic by people who want to make the community look bad. And, also?

Disliking an allied race, for the record, like a Gilgoblin, doesn’t make someone a criminal. Same goes for disliking the idea of Vulpera, or anyone else. Everyone has their preferences. It’s when things devolve to insults that’s a problem, and no, when either side does it, it’s not OK.

But like I continue to say in these threads popping up everywhere, there’s no “putting down” fans from the majority of people. Anyone tossing insults around, yeah, is usually not supported. We can ask for both races, that’s the case for any allied race. It’s not a competition.

If you want the reasoning that’s been repeated many times, it’s that we’ve many model modifications to back up the fact that Vulpera could be playable, including many seen only on player models. Gilgoblins, I doubt right now because we don’t have any model modifications either.

You know what else I doubt? San’layn. The very Allied Race I work very hard to advocate for, I doubt. Because there is a lack of model variations. That’s where most arguments fall, and until we actually see more come out, we don’t know.

And that’s just it. Why does it bother people that Vulpera seem likely? Them seeming likely = / = never seeing Gilgoblins either. No one is saying that at all. If someone feels as though Vulpera are more likely, it doesn’t mean they suddenly hate Gilgoblins or seek to put down their community. That’s where the misconceptions are coming around.

Also, I encourage people to not insult Vulpera fans either, which I’ve seen a lot too. This is a ‘victim card’ post, seems like, and pointing fingers when it’s entirely unnecessary. I’m not going to sugar-coat things–both communities have been flat out insulted and been rude to by various people.

Individuals will do this, and it doesn’t represent the community. I don’t have gilgoblins, for example, despite being put down by quite a few of their fans. I don’t hate High Elves for the same reason, don’t hate ogres for the same reason, and on and on. People will be people. But saying “oh, this community is being rude to another!” isn’t accurate.

Also, further, we still have no confirmation on the number limit of ARs or even if every “main race” is getting a variant. We should start looking at the races as they stand alone, not what their models are based off of or where they came from. Otherwise, if they’re not different and unique, what’s the point of adding them? These comparisons are detrimental.

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Goblin Discord?

Is there… a Zandalari Discord by chance?

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I haven’t heard of it but I don’t doubt there’s one out there. I’d be shocked if not, and someone should make one if there isn’t.

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Well, there’s a San’layn Discord if I’m not mistaken :wink: so who knows?!

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Correct, I lead it :stuck_out_tongue:

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I don’t know of one, but I can ask around. If someone informs me of one I will link it to you presuming they allow invites.

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I for one hope we just get a Catgirl race.

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Also, come on guys, if we’re going to talk about Gilgoblins and Vulpera, we should honestly try to show support in the megathreads too.
Gilgoblins, OP worked very hard on it:

Vulpera, another OP that worked very hard on it:

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Yesss, instead of dividing ourselves, goblin races should unite to wipe out the gnomes >:3

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Right. I am impressed with the level of detail he went into there. I am going to be posting there more often.

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Vulpera have a slight reason, but they seem more like traders who just want to live free. Gilgoblins are aggro to both sides, but they do seem like they could easily be swayed into picking a side and joining a war

Hopefully whatever race we get next has a good reason for joining the horde other than “Tyrande called me a donothing so I’m going to join the Horde in burning her treehouse down” or “We just finished a war against rocks thanks to help from both sides but since you treated us to dinner and helped our pet dragon, we’ll join another even bigger war against people who just finished helping us”

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I Just do not see any, like, sense behind the gilgoblin side. How did anyone even get the impression that they were remotely being considered for a playable race? They have one, old model. They have no female model. They have no kid model. They have no new animations. It’s like if I started posting about how gnolls are clearly going to be the next allied race (only difference is I’d like to play a gnoll). I honestly feel like the gilgoblin people are part of some sort trolling effort.

I’ll admit, I could be wrong, but I see zero chance of them adding gilgoblins as a playable race, at least not for this expansion or the next. On the other hand I see every evidence that Vulpera were designed to be an allied race. They have male and female models, new animations, child models, current armor fits them. Blizz has never put this much effort into a race that wasn’t playable. Whether they add them as a playable race or not though remains to be seen. Who knows, Blizz might just give up on the whole allied race feature as being too much effort before they add Vulpera. I sure hope not.

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@Peppermint: Quick rundown since I’ve said this a bunch of times already. The bulk of what you said there is false:

  1. Hobart created the Gilblins.
  2. Despite it being initially an accident, he has decided to resume and specifically study the Gilblins and try to make attempts to create super intelligent Gilblins. He states this during an earlier time in the war campaign when you click on him in the banshees wail.
  3. Gilblins also have loads of customization options and just about all the goblin animations ready. They even have some unique ones. Look closely at the Gilblins and you will notice multiple hairstyles, eye colors, skins, tattoos, gils/fins and facial expressions. They still need a female model, but that is something that can be done.
  4. They will be making friends specifically with the horde.
  5. They make a great deal of sense for the part of the expansion.
  6. Following the scheme of other ARs and the suspected junker gnome AR, it makes more sense they would be AR.

Most of what you said are false rumors being said by people who think Gilblin supporters don’t exist.

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Even gilgoblins make more sense than nightborne, and that’s saying something. Nightborne should have been like pandaren if they were to be playable. With a better reason to join during peak war times, of course than the pandas did

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Honestly, I don’t understand why Blizzard hates the idea of Neutral races so much. They might regret it with pandas, but that’s a can of worms that can’t be recanned, if you catch my drift. I think some races being neutral would be a positive thing.

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I’ll never understand why the community imposes false dichotomies on itself when it comes to allied races. It’s not a battle to invalidate something fun so it doesn’t steal the spot from something you prefer.

Blizzard has made it abundantly clear they do whatever they want and that reason, validity, or popularity mean squat to their decision-making. If we’re getting Vulpera as an allied race, it’s already been decided. Likewise for Gilgoblins.

The developers don’t care about discussions from the community. Being a wet blanket on Gilgoblins won’t make Vulpera more likely to happen.

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I mostly just brought up this conflict because there was a lot of people claiming that Gilblin supporters didn’t exist and after a heated argument over whether Vulpera or Gilblin would be an AR in this one discord, I wanted to get word out about it because I felt not enough people who might be interested in it were speaking up. But to be honest, I’d rather just not worry about it. No use getting overly frustrated about stuff like this.

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But it doesn’t matter if they do or do not. Far bigger communities have made requests for races with far more exposure, and they were given the pass over for new or invented races instead.

Our. Voices. Don’t. Matter.

No matter how loud or persistent. Player voices do not affect Blizzard’s decisions.

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