The moment you suggested that getting vote kicked should not earn you a debuff is the moment your suggestion failed. Yes, even with the caveat that after 3 kicks you get the debuff. At this point, someone getting kicked 3 times in a row in a short time shouldn’t just be getting the debuff, a GM should take a look at their actions because the odds of that happening by chance are so close to zero as to be zero.
Yes, I’ve been kicked pointlessly by groups before. It happens to me maybe once a year. Less even. So it’s not that big of a deal. But if you allow people to get kicked twice in a row without repercussions, you’re essentially giving them a license to troll. Not worth it by any measure.
Mirasol, do you recall when this was originally implemented if Blizz had said they would look into people who made a lot of vote kicks? I have a hazy memory of something like that.
They don’t “look into” them but they do realize that some people can go a bit overboard. Therefore the system has a built in timer. If someone keeps kicking they find themselves on a cooldown and can’t kick until it expires. So while the reason for a kick does not matter, they don’t encourage folks to do it TOO frequently.
I already said, group can go ahead and kick. If the intention was to remove the player, group has succeeded.
What is the use of Deserter debuff.
I am not really concerned about a toxic player, who Blizzard can easily automate as per their behaviour and place them on a cooldown before they can que.
I want to know what is the real purpose of deserter. Kicking a low dps, fine you did not want him, move on and let him reque.
YOu havent explained anything other than a dead beat explanation of how tanks used to hold you hostage like 15 years ago before we even had any kind of automation in blizzard system.
Go on… explain please.
Why a repeat offender cannot be given a deserter.
Explain why a group should not have a 6 hour cooldown, this way they use the kicks wisely.
That is very root of the argument. The group decided that they would rather kick a player and wait for a replacement than continue on.
If it was truly that easy, then why hasn’t it been done yet?
Because if someone has been kicked, then there’s a pretty good chance they deserved to be kicked. So why should they be able to immediately queue into another dungeon or raid and continue harassing people?
LOL that seems broken af, i don’t think i’ve ever been in a group where someone was kicked for an actual legit reason. looking back and now knowing that they all got deserter is hilarious
They should be able to tell if you were AFK. There has to be a control block somewhere for your 'toon and that block should have a time stamp for your last key stroke.
As for the other items, they should be able to tell how often you were kicked and how often the kicker kick. That should give them an idea of who is being reasonable and who is not.
I mean… they literally can. The game kicks you after being afk long enough. Though the time on this seems to be much more generous than it once was. Budget cuts I suppose…
Fact of the matter is, blizzard, as have most companies, gave up on adequate social features/moderation some time ago. If this saddens you as it does me, well too bad.