Genn Greymane is an Aggressor

Goshom-wyrmrest-accord · January 30, 2019, 6:31pm

It means exactly that, since that is the big excuse you Alliance use to say that the Horde started this war.

Drahliana-earthen-ring · January 30, 2019, 7:24pm

You kind of did unless you’re calling Teldrassil and the entire Wall of Thorns a “police action”.

Goshom-wyrmrest-accord · January 30, 2019, 7:26pm

No, I say what sparked this war was the attack on Stormheim, which proved to Sylvanas that peace under Alliance terms is not peace.

Arlifrex-moon-guard · January 30, 2019, 8:47pm

And I made my post because it seems people believe an entire nation should be destroyed because of the actions of one person who is their ally.

Goshom-wyrmrest-accord · January 30, 2019, 8:54pm

Yes… much like… oh I don’t know… Dazar’alor?

Withpuppys-nazgrel · January 30, 2019, 9:09pm

he does not say the same thing, his dialogue for the alliance version is this

King Rastakhan of Zandalar… On behalf of the Alliance, and in the name of King Anduin Wrynn, I hereby request your surrender.

so he doesn’t even mention talanji. and is a lot more calm. the horde just got a unreliable narrator

source:https://www.wowhead.com/news=290014/rastakhan-and-greymane-dialogue-in-battle-of-dazaralor-unreliable-narrator

Drahliana-earthen-ring · January 30, 2019, 9:24pm

So basically what you are saying is that the near extermination of the Night Elf race is a measured response to one man’s attack on the Banshee Queen?

Goshom-wyrmrest-accord · January 30, 2019, 9:34pm

Is Dazar’alor justified? Yes? Then my answer is also yes.

Also, his attack was not sanctioned by the Alliance, he did so against orders and thusly dragged the Alliance into this war. And the Elves were obviously supporting it since they sent troops to Silithus to fight with the Alliance.

Sarm-malganis · January 30, 2019, 10:46pm

Well, I don’t think Teldrassil was justified so I’m still missing your point in the reply. But are you implying that the horde should have gone to war with just a single person in the alliance and leave the rest alone? Or that they can’t retaliate period if the person who attacked them is playing “you can’t touch me” in an allied race’s territory?

Irenaus-wyrmrest-accord · January 30, 2019, 10:52pm

Went back to find a couple quotes for another thread, indicating the war was not on until Ashenvale.

Where is the outrage for Dazar'alor?

Saurfang approved. The season of war would come again eventually, as it always did. No reason to rush.

“The boy in Stormwind will not start a war tomorrow,” Saurfang said.

On that, you and I agree. “Do you have your mind made up, Warchief? Are you driving us to war?* Despite the cost?”
“I see an opportunity. I need a plan to achieve it,” Sylvanas said.

“You are asking us to start a war with the Alliance,” he said.
“Does that trouble you?”
Lorash’s eyebrows twitched. “Not in the slightest. But you are not offering us enough of a reward. If you expect us to launch our attacks at the exact same time on the exact same day . . .” He sighed. “Some of us will have to strike at inopportune moments. That is a large risk.”

Bargrand-aerie-peak · January 30, 2019, 10:55pm

Let’s do a comparison. The Alliance launches an attack on Dazar’alor with the goal of crippling the Horde navy and forcing the Zandalari out of the war. The Horde launches an attack on Teldrassil with the goal of “killing hope”. The Alliance goes out their way to avoid civilian casualties, keeps collateral damage to a minimum, and gives the Zandalari a chance to surrender peacefully. The Horde burns a city full of civilians to the ground out of pure spite. Shall I go on?

Goshom-wyrmrest-accord · January 30, 2019, 11:04pm

I dunno… those Dark Iron didn’t seem to be ‘trying to keep Civilian casualties to a minimum’ I will call that a lie.

Kkw-emerald-dream · January 30, 2019, 11:13pm

Surely the High King has control of his forces?

Dakore-wyrmrest-accord · January 30, 2019, 11:21pm

Need more evidence that Blizzard thinks Alliance players are soft-skinned milktoasts who can’t take the idea of being the non-heroes?

Such a shame.

Cryptkeeps-thrall · January 30, 2019, 11:25pm

Genn would have never attacked Forsaken if we didn’t invade his kingdom and try to wipe out his people.

Goshom-wyrmrest-accord · January 30, 2019, 11:26pm

That does not matter, that has nothing to do with this current war.

Cryptkeeps-thrall · January 30, 2019, 11:27pm

It does, we don’t get to ignore the context when it’s our side that invades, makes power-grabs, and causes untold loss of life creating the people we complain about on here.

The Horde are responsible for someone like Genn existing.

Arlifrex-moon-guard · January 30, 2019, 11:37pm

Okay. If the Horde feels justified in attacking the Alliance in response to Stormheim, fine. If the Horde wanted to fight over Azerite, or the possibility of the Alliance attacking again, I’m fine with that too.

What I don’t like, and what I have been seeing, are players defending Teldrassil burning because of Genn’s actions. I’m saying that that’s not a sensible escalation.

Goshom-wyrmrest-accord · January 30, 2019, 11:41pm

That is a reasonable argument, I can go with that, as a person, IRL I agree, the burning of the tree is a bad thing, but I dislike people claiming that this attack came out of nowhere. And I dislike people who are so unconsistant as to support the murder of civilians in Dazar’alor when that is just as bad, especially considering how the Dark Iron were doing it.

Cryptkeeps-thrall · January 30, 2019, 11:48pm

Only has control of other nation’s military forces, and even then he has to ask permission from other leaders to be allowed to use it.