Indeed, but that doesn’t save Genn Greymane from being ignorant on the matter.
Not that he would likely care if he knew the truth anyway. He just saw a way of hurting Sylvanas.
if Genn did kill Sylvanas, I only hope he pulls a BC maiev and just disappears for 10 years afterwards.
How is Shaw and Genn talking smack about the Zandalari somehow hurting Sylvanas?
Talking smack? It doesn’t. Killing the Zandalari, destroying their fleets, and robbing the Horde of the Zandalari as an ally would have though.
Sorry it didn’t go completely the Alliance’s way though. ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Again, it’s a matter of victors trying the losers as is the historical pattern of war crimes.
If this is supposed to be some weird gotcha response, then I’m not understanding what you’re getting at.
I made that post because it seemed like some people were trying to disconnect Genn’s actions from reflecting on the alliance as a whole by saying he can make his own decisions and doesn’t need to answer to anyone else.
If you’re talking about the cinematic, he was reviving the dying… not the dead. And we need to make a distinction between actual resurrection and animating the dead as mindless undead monsters with orders to kill.
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It’s funny to me how Horde posters consistently want the Alliance to be morally darker, yet Genn, a morally grey character, is one of the most hated Alliance characters when it comes to Horde opinions on him.
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AHEM.
We point to Genn as a evil, racist who wants nothing more then to slaughter Sylvanas and everyone who associates with her. Because people like you seem hell-bent on the idea that you are somehow morally superior when a Alliance force just literally:
-Murdered their way through civilians and soldiers alike.
-Murdered priests and prophets.
-Dumped on a holy sight.
-Threatened Rastakhan with enslavement and imprisonment of his daughter.
-Expect him to surrender.
-Murder him.
-Lie to Anduin on what actually happened.
Yes… Morally grey…
Are you people for real?
THIS. THIS is you morally grey?
HAHA.
Because we dont have a morally grey Alliance. So they are desperately in denial.
When I say that they instantly think I am somehow virtue signalling that Alliance as a faction and maybe even as players are morally better than them AND thats what is at stake here.
-Civilian casualties are inevitable in urban combat.
-How is this immoral? Warcraft priests and prophets are powerful combatants capable of invoking the wrath of their patron or source of power.
-Again, immoral how?
-The dialogue varies depending on your Faction, so this is a wash.
-Expecting someone to surrender when you outmaneuver their military and have them at a clear disadvantage is immoral? If anything it’s a show of mercy and good faith.
-He chose to fight when given the option to surrender.
-Haven’t completes the raid so I don’t know what’s up with this. I’m assuming it’s related to the different faction experience?
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- Civilian casualties are inevitable…
hmm… yes… I guess the Dark Irons harassing civilians in the market center was inevitable.
- How is this immoral:
Well, for one you are the invaders, who invaded without a just cause. There is that.
- Immoral, how?
See above.
- Dialogue varies…
Does it, seeing how you did not finish the raid, as you have admitted. He says the same thing on both sides. And considering that the Alliance have already done this before.
- Expecting them to surrender…
No, if you lay claim to MY city, threaten to enslave MY people and imprison MY daughter as hostage, yeah, no. I ain’t surrendering either.
- He chose to fight…
Gee! I wonder why!
- Nope, on the Alliance side.
Yep, they lie, claiming that Rastakhans murder was inevitable and how sorry they feel for the Zandalari when Jaina only just recently got done taunting Talanji about how she murdered her father and people, after they just got done threatening Rastakhan and his family and expect him to kneel quietly and take it.
1: Harassing doesn’t sound like murder but as I’ve said I haven’t finished the raid (currently unsubbed), so I may be missing an intentional understatement.
2: We have a just cause. He’s moving to align himself with a genocidal Warchief we’re currently at war with.
3: See above.
4: I’ve been told multiple times it’s different. If it’s not, this point goes to you. If it is, it’s a wash.
5: (assuming you win #4) Not only understandable but commendable. Still not immoral to kill him.
6: Not an argument. He chose to fight, and didn’t try to surrender if/when he realized he had been beat.
7: I’ll concede #4 then. #1 as well if I’m right about missing an intentional understatement.
As for lying, what about his death being inevitable was a lie? I suppose they could have avoided going after him and just hoped he hadn’t gotten involved, or they could have intentionally handicapped themselves by fighting non-lethally, but as far as I’m concerned once he refused to surrender it was inevitable.
There it is.
There’s the dumbest thing I’ve read on this forum all week.
This isn’t even a bait thread, because those usually use points that actually make sense to reinforce whatever initial premise fans the flames.
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They could have NOT invaded Dazar’alor, considering that there were other ACTUAL Horde targets they could have gone after,bolster their forces in Darkshore, reclaim that and move onto Orgrimmar, the actual seat of the Horde. Much better then attacking people who were still conflicted about joining the Horde.
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I’ll actually support this. Strategically the attack on Dazar’alor is questionable at best and blindingly stupid at worst. The Zandalari aren’t an immediate threat, and they aren’t fully aligned with the Horde yet. Alliance troops would presumably have higher morale while fighting traditional and fully Horde troops, and its possible that a decisive defeat of said troops could convince the Zandalari to stay neutral preventing further loss of Zandalari lives.
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Bingo, thank you. So we came to a understanding.
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The Zandalari were activaly helping the Horde in their incursions. Including invading Boralus with dinosaurs. Plus, the whole reason we’re approaching Zandalar/Kul Tiras is because whoever gets Naval Superiority would likely win the War. The Zandalari would provide that to the Horde if not stopped.
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As I stated in the previous thread, that has been retconned. Sorry buddy.
I don’t think you know what retcon is, or at least understand how they work
Just because Rastakahan didn’t give a big proclamation to his people about how the Horde and Zandalari are best buds, it doesn’t mean they’re not allies.