shes in the best position to take the entirety of the northern half of the Eastern Kingdoms, plus most of the eastern plaguelands are perfect for undead inhabitants, it would be way too easy, the only resistance would probably be the paladin order hall, and with Ashbringer out of commission, they would be in a bad position. I’m referring to her rights through military presence and authority, not her regal authority, of which she has none.
That’s… not how the Alliance works… like at all.
Every member of the Alliance (including the old Alliance of Lordaeron) was it’s own Sovereign nation. This would include Lordaeron proper, Gilneas, Kul’tiras, Stromgarde, the remenants of Stormwind, Quel’thalas and Dun Morogh.
Glineas was next to Lordaeron, not apart of it. By your definition Silvermoon belongs to Sylvanas, and not the Blood Elves.
And to hit on your other point. The “High King” roll in the current Alliance serves the same purpose as the “Supreme Commander” roll in the old Alliance. It’s a Military roll, however with Anduins lack of Military experience, it’s more symbolic (and utterly worthless) than anything.
No Nation under the Alliance, in any iteration, is sworn to it as a member of the Horde would be sworn to a Warchief. Its why Quel’thalas, Gilneas and Kul’Tirias were able to leave the old Alliance with little more than a slap on the wrist.
This is also why Tyrande, a seasoned Military Commander and established Warrior (despite Blizzards best efforts to show us otherwise in game) is able to relocate her troops to Darkshore. They’re HER troops, merely on loan to the Alliance.
I’m not one to throw this around, but the Head Cannon you got going on there is a bit extreme. I would highly suggest doing some research.
Also that contradicts your original post about her having “authority” for being the current ruler of Lordaeron.
I’m getting trolled, aren’t I?
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Genn did nothing wrong, he’s only trying to bring an internationally recognized war criminal to justice.
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There are no war crimes in wow.
There’s a whole book where we bring a guy to trial for war crimes. Think the title was War Crimes. We might not have a Geneva Conventions, but Blizz has already introduced the concept, so until it’s retconned we do have war crimes.
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how does it contradict anything? shes in charge of lordaeron, she has the forces and weapons to take it all, that gives her authority. are cops all royal?
Your first post insinuates that she has a right to Gilneas as you were under the impression that Gilneas as a portion of Lordaeron (which it isn’t) and thus under her authority to begin with. Authority by the way, which she gained by slaughtering and raising the remaining living population.
Your later state that as the primary military power in the general vicinity, it would allow her to exert her authority to try and seize Gilneas for herself, which is a more accurate assessment.
However, the result of her invasion of Gilneas, regardless if it was at the behest of her Warchief ordering her to attack a neutral nation that was in no way, shape or form threatening the Horde or the Forsaken, saw her being pushed from the city and deploying the Blight as a means to oust the Worgen, effectively making the city, and by extension the port they were hoping for, uninhabitable. They gained nothing except for losses.
Cops are also a bad comparison as typically their authority remains within their jurisdiction.
But, that brings me back to my initial point. Gilneas is not a part of Lordaeron, it never was. It was allied with Lordaeron, but that was the extent of it. She can exercise her military power on Sovereign Nations all she want’s but that doesn’t make them her by right. She has to go in and fight for them.
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So which is it? Her territory the Gilneans inhabited, or unprovoked attack on Genn’s territory. Can’t have both.
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Genn’s literal quote before the Battle of Dazar’Alor before the fight with Rastakhan:
“King Rastakhan of Zandalar, I order you to submit! You will bow before your new master, King Anduin Wrynn, and you will deliver your daughter to us as a hostage!”
First off, this is the chance at surrender the Alliance like to tote around as their moral highground example? Sounds pretty Game of Thrones-ish level of arrogant to me. ![:smiley:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
Second, while Anduin might not have any “official” authority over Genn and Gilneas, Genn does seem to enjoy playing obedient puppy to the boy king.
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Right of conquest
didn’t realize Genn was a girl.
I have heard the dialogues change depending on which side you play.
This seems odd but since this is story told to you as you play through a raid it would be expected some paraphrasing and inaccuracies to the story being told to you.
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Glad we cleared that up.
And this is what makes me think your trolling.
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The her here is Sylvanas, you boob. Hence why “her” and “Genn” are separate instances in the sentence.
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So to be clear. your real question was Sylvanas’s territory, and the territory that sylvanas owns that the gilneans occupy. is that right? because it sounds like its the same land ownership.
Usually when someone says “to be clear,” they say a clarifying statement. Not something that muddies up the discussion more.
You claim that Sylvanas made an attack on Gilneas, and that it wasn’t unprecedented because Gilneas was her land at the time (which is false). However, the reason you give for Sylvanas attacking is that she wanted to acquire more land - this implies that she does not own Gilneas at the time of her attack, which is true.
You have contradicted yourself. Likely because you are trolling.
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right by conquest, and its her land now so the right is valid. no contradiction, just a very basic part of a war campaign, seizing land.
You two still dont understand this dude has been trolling?
Stop feeding him. Come on.
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Eh, debatable. By the end of Silverpine’s questline it would appear that Gilneas is back in Gilnean hands, or at least contested hands if the Battleground means anything. But that’s aside from the point…
You claim that the initial attack on Gilneas is not unprecedented because it was already her land in Cataclysm, yet now you say that it’s a right by conquest. So therein, you’d have to admit this attack and subsequent conquest was unprecedented, as the neutral Gilneans owned it beforehand and did not make the first strike.
I wanna see how deep I can go.
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we forced the worgen to surrender in silverpine, its 100% hers.
unprecedented? I wouldn’t say that, the horde has invaded cities for a long time.
right by conquest implies its her if she can conquer it, which she did.